Food and beverages Food and beverages    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  The Lie of the Land          Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Cat(h) Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: The Lie of the Land I caught this programme on More 4 last night. Between that and a few other bits of anectodal evidence, I am just wondering if the public opinion is turning for the more favourable towards British farmers? What do the farmers on here think? Cat(h) (genuinely interested, not trying to stir pots) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Tim Lamb Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land In message <1180524208.167013.17010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> writes Quote: I caught this programme on More 4 last night. Between that and a few other bits of anectodal evidence, I am just wondering if the public opinion is turning for the more favourable towards British farmers? What do the farmers on here think? I watched the first showing. I suppose it was fairly factual and certainly didn't pull any punches. Perhaps hunting should stand or fall on the question of *unacceptable cruelty* with fallen livestock and employment as side issues. I assume most farmers would support hunting with hounds but doubt that many take part themselves. regards -- Tim Lamb Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Cat(h) Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land On May 30, 1:32 pm, Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> wrote: Quote: In message <1180524208.167013.17...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "Cat(h)" <cathy...@yahoo.com> writes I caught this programme on More 4 last night. Between that and a few other bits of anectodal evidence, I am just wondering if the public opinion is turning for the more favourable towards British farmers? What do the farmers on here think? I watched the first showing. I suppose it was fairly factual and certainly didn't pull any punches. Perhaps hunting should stand or fall on the question of *unacceptable cruelty* with fallen livestock and employment as side issues. I assume most farmers would support hunting with hounds but doubt that many take part themselves. That's the thing - I think while the programme may have started life as an investigation in the realities of fox hunting, it ended up being about something totally different. Molly Dineen asked rather interesting questions - directly and indirectly - about the economics of British farming. In particular, she contrasted the national outrage at foxes being killed by hounds with the blissful ignorance of the fact that uneconomic beef and cattle prices lead to wholesale slaughter of value-less, though perfectly healthy, calves the length and breadth of the country, and dramatic economic hardship on many farms. And by extension, the contradiction in the public's acquiescence of the "cheap food policy", which has led to such obscenities, and their righteous indignation at the killing of foxes. I thought it was quite shocking, and not because of the blood and gore which most of us country dwellers would not have been particularly shocked by. She also illustrated rather well the heights of insane bureaucracy being heaped on farmers for no economic return. Could it be that the British media, and the public, are starting to question their taking for granted of British farmers? Or am I just deluding myself? Cat(h) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land "Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote in message . Quote: I thought it was quite shocking, and not because of the blood and gore which most of us country dwellers would not have been particularly shocked by. She also illustrated rather well the heights of insane bureaucracy being heaped on farmers for no economic return. Could it be that the British media, and the public, are starting to question their taking for granted of British farmers? Or am I just deluding myself? Cat(h) I don;t think you are deluding yourself, I suspect we are in a period of change, such things as biofuels, the rest of the world becoming wealthy, and rising populations are going to put agriculture into a different perspective At some point there is going to be a noticable shortage of a food type and people will ask serious questions Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor greymaus Guest Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land On 2007-05-30, Cat(h) <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: I caught this programme on More 4 last night. Between that and a few other bits of anectodal evidence, I am just wondering if the public opinion is turning for the more favourable towards British farmers? What do the farmers on here think? Cat(h) (genuinely interested, not trying to stir pots) Not British, Irish, but of the opinion that the general public don't give a damn, just want food (or what the supermarkets call food) as cheap as possible. -- Greymaus Just another grumpy old man Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor greymaus Guest Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land On 2007-05-30, Tim Lamb <tim@marford.demon.co.uk> wrote: Quote: In message <1180524208.167013.17010@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> writes I caught this programme on More 4 last night. Between that and a few other bits of anectodal evidence, I am just wondering if the public opinion is turning for the more favourable towards British farmers? What do the farmers on here think? I watched the first showing. I suppose it was fairly factual and certainly didn't pull any punches. Perhaps hunting should stand or fall on the question of *unacceptable cruelty* with fallen livestock and employment as side issues. I assume most farmers would support hunting with hounds but doubt that many take part themselves. regards Suprising numbers of people here with interest in horse hunting, arrivestas, people with a yen for that sort of excercise, and the remains of the landed gentry. Largely, we have lost the social split in the countryside that feulled the argument in the U.K ( which is why there is no real effort to get people over to hunt.).. -- Greymaus Just another grumpy old man Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Cat(h) Guest Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land On May 30, 7:05 pm, "Jim Webster" <j...@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote: Quote: "Cat(h)" <cathy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message . I thought it was quite shocking, and not because of the blood and gore which most of us country dwellers would not have been particularly shocked by. She also illustrated rather well the heights of insane bureaucracy being heaped on farmers for no economic return. Could it be that the British media, and the public, are starting to question their taking for granted of British farmers? Or am I just deluding myself? Cat(h) I don;t think you are deluding yourself, I suspect we are in a period of change, such things as biofuels, the rest of the world becoming wealthy, and rising populations are going to put agriculture into a different perspective At some point there is going to be a noticable shortage of a food type and people will ask serious questions I see you share my opinion. I find it regrettable that it takes shortages to make populace and governments take note, but that's just me being idealist. I look forward to a world where the role of primary food producers is valued and appreciated again. That's me being even more idealist. Anyway, I thought the programme was a very interesting, and refreshingly realistic take on farming. Cat(h) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Cat(h) Guest Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:50 am    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land On May 30, 11:20 pm, greymaus <greym...@gmaildo.tcom> wrote: Quote: On 2007-05-30, Cat(h) <cathy...@yahoo.com> wrote:> I caught this programme on More 4 last night. Between that and a few other bits of anectodal evidence, I am just wondering if the public opinion is turning for the more favourable towards British farmers? What do the farmers on here think? Cat(h) (genuinely interested, not trying to stir pots) Not British, Irish, but of the opinion that the general public don't give a damn, just want food (or what the supermarkets call food) as cheap as possible. -- Greymaus Just another grumpy old man Irish too - well, sort of - and the General Public is a very weird creature. Professing to want high quality, environmentally and animal welfare sensitive, food, provided it's cheap. Then go and buy Brazilian beef. Cat(h) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor David G. Bell Guest Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land On Wednesday, in article <5c5smjF2qor3oU1@mid.individual.net> jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk "Jim Webster" wrote: Quote: "Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote in message . I thought it was quite shocking, and not because of the blood and gore which most of us country dwellers would not have been particularly shocked by. She also illustrated rather well the heights of insane bureaucracy being heaped on farmers for no economic return. Could it be that the British media, and the public, are starting to question their taking for granted of British farmers? Or am I just deluding myself? I don;t think you are deluding yourself, I suspect we are in a period of change, such things as biofuels, the rest of the world becoming wealthy, and rising populations are going to put agriculture into a different perspective At some point there is going to be a noticable shortage of a food type and people will ask serious questions Or just blame the farmers. How many people ask questions, and how many just parrot media hype? -- David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: The Lie of the Land ""David G. Bell"" <dbell@zhochaka.org.uk> wrote in message news:20070531.0726.108300snz@zhochaka.org.uk... Quote: On Wednesday, in article 5c5smjF2qor3oU1@mid.individual.net jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk "Jim Webster" wrote: "Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote in message . I thought it was quite shocking, and not because of the blood and gore which most of us country dwellers would not have been particularly shocked by. She also illustrated rather well the heights of insane bureaucracy being heaped on farmers for no economic return. Could it be that the British media, and the public, are starting to question their taking for granted of British farmers? Or am I just deluding myself? I don;t think you are deluding yourself, I suspect we are in a period of change, such things as biofuels, the rest of the world becoming wealthy, and rising populations are going to put agriculture into a different perspective At some point there is going to be a noticable shortage of a food type and people will ask serious questions Or just blame the farmers. How many people ask questions, and how many just parrot media hype? first someone will cry "Something must be done" The government with do "something" pretty much at random which might make things worst but the public will probably not realise until after the next general election But eventually, if they want to eat, they'll have to pay for it because others out there will buy it from under their noses Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Food and beverages----------------Food and beverages  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Websites Reviews of portal sites for escorts (incall/outcall) New Zealand Swingers Contacts Wholesale Industry personal secured loans Make Your Own Website Cheap calls to Saudi Arabia Long island Cleaning service Mold UK Swingers Genuine Contacts Site Free Cams ink cartridges Sex Nude Vacuum Parts 124 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group