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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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it's clear now. hopefully others can see.
On 30 May, 14:56, "Jill" <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
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jerrymarshali...@gmail.com wrote:
For someone who has so much to say on everything else,
No -- just things that are important to me.
you are
sheepishly quiet with regards to this. I'll let your answer stand for
itself.
Indeedy
As will the few words you have written since creating your very recent
online persona.
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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Malcolm wrote:
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However I have little patience with anyone of any nationality who
plays stupid games in situations like this.
Perhaps this new poster is one of Pat's "monitors". His level of
knowledge is about what one might expect from such a person, if they
exist outside Pat's mind, that is.
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It crossed my mind -- Pat knows I have kilfiled him, as have most of the
rest of the readership of this group, and I don't bother checking google
groups for his posts so maybe he has generated a personna to get reaction
that he cannot inspire himself.
back to Islay
--
regards
Jill Bowis
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Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <465dd278$0$8737$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill
<news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes
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Malcolm wrote:
However I have little patience with anyone of any nationality who
plays stupid games in situations like this.
Perhaps this new poster is one of Pat's "monitors". His level of
knowledge is about what one might expect from such a person, if they
exist outside Pat's mind, that is.
It crossed my mind -- Pat knows I have kilfiled him, as have most of the
rest of the readership of this group, and I don't bother checking google
groups for his posts so maybe he has generated a personna to get reaction
that he cannot inspire himself.
An interesting thought. |
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back to Islay
In the usual (!) glorious sunshine, of course  |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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Thus spake Jill <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk>
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Jim Webster wrote:
"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:465d2410$0$8747$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
Auctions keep pretty good records of all transactions so it will be
a case of the SVS etc following up on all these individual
transactions. Hopefully there were not too many private deals done
outwith the auction setup.
Hopefully this auction company keep really good records of even wee
birds, on a busy day.
Hopefully the location of the original infection - ie where the
infected birds came from in the first place - is not one of the
larger units in the likely vicinity.
how many people just pay cash at these auctions, cheque or credit
card would at least mean that purchasers could be traced, even if you
weren't too sure of what they purchased
That maybe you, or Charles, can help with?
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We only did one market at Chelford. They were not computerised and not
very efficient, and I can't remember too many details. Usually at
auctions buyers have to get a buyer number, and the paperwork involves a
written record of address. It shouldn't make much difference whether you
pay by cash or by cheque, as you pay for those lots registered to your
buyer number. Obviously they have full records of vendors also. The
records will include the cage/lot numbers, so there is a record of which
birds will have been in close contact with which others, where they came
from and where they went.
The birds would come in maximum two-three hours before the auction
starts (I've never known overnight keeping of birds), the auction might
take up to 4-5 hrs, and all birds will be gone within an hour of
completion. Birds are only going to come into contact with those in
immediately adjacent cages, so I can't see the disease spreading all
around the auction unless a lot of infected birds come in from one
source - of course that may be. As I recall at Chelford, vendors have
all birds in adjacent cages, so that will help reduce the spread.
Usually there are a few vendors selling up to about 50-70 birds. Not
many sell more than that at one auction, though we did up to about 100.
Not usually many sales outside the auction.
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Certainly from our observations here with the shop in the past few years,
and especially this year, fewer and fewer or the general population carry
cash at all and even fewer use cheques.
As the poultry is more to the "general" population, including smallholders,
than the farming population, the latter being more used to the cash economy,
its probable that a good proportion of transactions were card based. However
it also depnds on how the markets themselves influence the exchange. Some
places still prefer cash or cheques and simply have little in the way of
card facilities. ???
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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"Malcolm" <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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back to Islay
In the usual (!) glorious sunshine, of course
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All day?
Cute corncrakes !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/springwatch/index.shtml
for anyone in the world to see how wonderful a part of the world Malcolm
lives in
and many other parts of this pretty special country and fauna and flora
--
regards
Jill Bowis
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Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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"Oh No" <NotI@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m65qvcTBAeXGFw8q@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk...
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how many people just pay cash at these auctions, cheque or credit
card would at least mean that purchasers could be traced, even if you
weren't too sure of what they purchased
That maybe you, or Charles, can help with?
We only did one market at Chelford. They were not computerised and not
very efficient, and I can't remember too many details. Usually at
auctions buyers have to get a buyer number, and the paperwork involves a
written record of address. It shouldn't make much difference whether you
pay by cash or by cheque, as you pay for those lots registered to your
buyer number. Obviously they have full records of vendors also. The
records will include the cage/lot numbers, so there is a record of which
birds will have been in close contact with which others, where they came
from and where they went.
The birds would come in maximum two-three hours before the auction
starts (I've never known overnight keeping of birds), the auction might
take up to 4-5 hrs, and all birds will be gone within an hour of
completion. Birds are only going to come into contact with those in
immediately adjacent cages, so I can't see the disease spreading all
around the auction unless a lot of infected birds come in from one
source - of course that may be. As I recall at Chelford, vendors have
all birds in adjacent cages, so that will help reduce the spread.
Usually there are a few vendors selling up to about 50-70 birds. Not
many sell more than that at one auction, though we did up to about 100.
Not usually many sales outside the auction.
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Thanks Charles for the great insight
Is 1400 quite a lot of birds then, especially with a busy auction timetable
or did they have lots of different sale rooms?
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <465de28a$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill
<mail@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes
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"Malcolm" <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i4ZSK+bjfdXGFwt3@indaal.demon.co.uk...
back to Islay
In the usual (!) glorious sunshine, of course :-)
All day?
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There was a shower last night and a bit of cloud this morning which
quickly dispersed. Thin high cloud now moving in from the east.
Otherwise all day :-)
Cute Golden Eagles!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/springwatch/index.shtml
for anyone in the world to see how wonderful a part of the world Malcolm
lives in
and many other parts of this pretty special country and fauna and flora
Hear, hear, or perhaps even here, here! |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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"Malcolm" <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:$qE1eVeWYeXGFw$X@indaal.demon.co.uk...
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In article <465de28a$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill
mail@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes
"Malcolm" <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i4ZSK+bjfdXGFwt3@indaal.demon.co.uk...
back to Islay
In the usual (!) glorious sunshine, of course :-)
All day?
There was a shower last night and a bit of cloud this morning which
quickly dispersed. Thin high cloud now moving in from the east. Otherwise
all day :-)
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It was quite revolting here -- drizzly in the morning with midges complete
with tackety boots.
It deteriorated to diabolical this afternoon.
Clearing finally now
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Cute corncrakes !
Cute Golden Eagles!
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so commonplace !!
;)
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Jill Bowis
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Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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Jill wrote:
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It crossed my mind -- Pat knows I have kilfiled him, as have most of the
rest of the readership of this group, and I don't bother checking google
groups for his posts so maybe he has generated a personna to get reaction
that he cannot inspire himself.
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Unlikely since the posting host appears to be in NJ.
I was already wondering about this latest US persona to appear. Yet
another who appears sympathetic to Pat, initially appears to be
genuinely looking for information and/or advice yet almost immediately
antagonises those regulars best fitted to provide that information or
advice. Perhaps Malcolm is right, they are the renowned "monitors". :-)
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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"Malcolm" <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <1180539761.655406.221040@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
patgardiner@btinternet.com writes
On 30 May, 15:47, "Jill" <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
jerrymarshali...@gmail.com wrote:
Sheep Story Here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/6699831.stm
Oh and some primitive geography would be useful
Jerry, Take no notice.
Not all Scots are as appallingly rude as this woman. She is well known
as a stalker and general nuisance. In fact, there is a story that she
is not even Scots.
She almost certainly knows less about American geography than you do
about British. She teams up with that moron Malcolm. The pair get
regularly wound up by a nutter who has a political agenda and thinks
them useful.
You post here if you want to. We need some American commonsense and
plain speaking. Some of this lot live in some anti-American time
capsule totally inhabited by failures.
Jerry
Pat regularly insults posters here who contradict what he writes. He does
this through ad hominem remarks, as here. Be warned, also, that he also
resorts to libelling people.
Ad hominem remarks are, of course, the last defence of someone who knows
he has comprehensively lost the argument and is thus reduced to childish
name-calling. Please treat all his postings with considerable caution as
they may well contain misleading information if not downright lies. It is
when this is pointed out to him, which is frequently, that he indulges in
his juvenile behaviour.
He is a sick man, so he tells us, with a grievance against British vets,
who he claims treated him badly several years ago, since when they can do
no right, in his eyes. The fact that just about everyone here is friends
with or knows many excellent vets does not stop him describing them all as
"bent" (= corrupt), which should give you a good insight into his
mentality. However, despite nearly seven years of complaining about them
he has achieved absolutely nothing, which might suggest to some people
that his grievance is more imaginary than real.
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other thing I was going to ask,
Has he ever admitted that Steve found the evidence of hospitals using the
full body scanners for sheep? You remember the post
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk wrote in message
news:1hwqlwt.uaypaf1a9afaiN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
Pat Gardiner <patgardiner@btinternet.com wrote:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2y5lc3
"Measurement of transmural distribution of phosphorus metabolites in the
pig heart by 31P magnetic resonance spectroscopy."
MRC Biochemical and Clinical Magnetic Resonance Unit, John Radcliffe
Hospital, Headington, Oxford, UK.
------
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yo8ayw
"A total of nine sheep carrying 14 fetuses underwent fetMRI under
general anesthesia at a mean of 118 days' gestational age "
Department of Radiology, University Hospital Gasthuisberg, Leuven,
Belgium
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Geneva University Hospitals,
Geneva, Switzerland
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/2yfmbp
"Biomechanical properties and vascularity of an anterior cruciate
ligament graft can be predicted by contrast-enhanced magnetic resonance
imaging: A two-year study in sheep"
Trauma and Reconstructive Surgery, Sports Traumatology and Arthroscopy
Service, Charité, Campus Virchow-Clinic, Humboldt-University of Berlin,
ALLEMAGNE
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/27dnn8
"Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) was used to measure, in vivo, the
volume of several organs and tissues of a total of 111 pigs (males and
females)"
*USDA, ARS, Beltsville, MD 20705; ?Ludwig-Maximilians University Munich,
85764 Oberschleissheim, Germany; and ?Howard University, Washington, DC
20007
The above reference has photographs of the pigs in the scanner and also
reprints of the scans so that even Pat "Thick As Pig's Excrement"
Gardiner could not deny that the pigs had indeed been scanned in a
hospital scanner. |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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<jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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For someone who has so much to say on everything else, you are
sheepishly quiet with regards to this. I'll let your answer stand for
itself.
-jm
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your assumption in this regard says far more about you than Jills comment
does about her
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <465da108$0$8720$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill
<URL:mailto:news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
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Derek Moody wrote:
Birds get flu - they always have and they always will.
No they don't.
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Hasty Jill? Of course they do or AI would be extinct.
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Mostly the trade deals with it as a matter of routine
Not unless they are particularly stupid
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They would be very stupid not to have a routine to deal with it.
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- as they did even with H5N1 until recent scare stories.
Wrong again
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Even H5N1 - Scotland 1959 & England 1991 for eg.
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This mini outbreak is nothing for the general population** to worry
about.
** Jill might have reason to worry.
Wrong again as a poultry keepr or as a person
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Fair enough - you're clearly paying it plenty of attention but from here I
can't tell whether it's academic interest, customer relations, niggling
doubt or full-blown nightmares - hence the 'might'.
- Aside: What has the backward spring done for the midge population?
Does it look to be any worse than usual this year?
- asking for touring visitors.
Cheerio,
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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Quoting from message <5c6dsaF2vqfeqU1@mid.individual.net>
posted on 30 May 2007 by Jim Webster
I would like to add:
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other thing I was going to ask,
Has he ever admitted that Steve found the evidence of hospitals using the
full body scanners for sheep?
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I think he remarked that these were not NHS hospitals - or words to
that effect.
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:33:53 +0100, Old Codger
<oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
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I was already wondering about this latest US persona to appear. Yet
another who appears sympathetic to Pat, initially appears to be
genuinely looking for information and/or advice yet almost immediately
antagonises those regulars best fitted to provide that information or
advice. Perhaps Malcolm is right, they are the renowned "monitors".
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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Thus spake Jill <mail@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk>
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"Oh No" <NotI@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m65qvcTBAeXGFw8q@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk...
how many people just pay cash at these auctions, cheque or credit
card would at least mean that purchasers could be traced, even if you
weren't too sure of what they purchased
That maybe you, or Charles, can help with?
We only did one market at Chelford. They were not computerised and not
very efficient, and I can't remember too many details. Usually at
auctions buyers have to get a buyer number, and the paperwork involves a
written record of address. It shouldn't make much difference whether you
pay by cash or by cheque, as you pay for those lots registered to your
buyer number. Obviously they have full records of vendors also. The
records will include the cage/lot numbers, so there is a record of which
birds will have been in close contact with which others, where they came
from and where they went.
The birds would come in maximum two-three hours before the auction
starts (I've never known overnight keeping of birds), the auction might
take up to 4-5 hrs, and all birds will be gone within an hour of
completion. Birds are only going to come into contact with those in
immediately adjacent cages, so I can't see the disease spreading all
around the auction unless a lot of infected birds come in from one
source - of course that may be. As I recall at Chelford, vendors have
all birds in adjacent cages, so that will help reduce the spread.
Usually there are a few vendors selling up to about 50-70 birds. Not
many sell more than that at one auction, though we did up to about 100.
Not usually many sales outside the auction.
Thanks Charles for the great insight
Is 1400 quite a lot of birds then, especially with a busy auction timetable
or did they have lots of different sale rooms?
They rattle through the lots, up to about 120per hour. 1400 is quite a |
busy auction, but I think it was normal to have more birds per cage at
Chelford. They can probably sell up to about 400 birds per hour. The
larger auctions go up to over 2000 birds. Usually they run at least two
auctions simultaneously. Often four, waterfowl, bantams, large fowl and
equipment. Chelford is a pretty big market. When we were there the birds
were sold a good distance from where they sold other animals. On that
occasion it was an evening auction and nothing else was being sold at
the time.
Regards
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moderator sci.physics.foundations.
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