Food and beverages Food and beverages    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  USA Media Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media I know plenty about what we are dealing with and I can assure you that I have no political motivation. I'm here solely for the data and information you all provide. If you don't like me because I'm an American, then that is your problem not mine, and that kind of attitude will not help anyone, it will only hinder us all. There is a larger picture that we all need to look at and now that picture might possibly include the UK. The Sheep story provides no conclusive evidence, as is the case with most "kills", especially in countries where information is being censored. Open your eyes, millions of pigs in China are dead...yes that is right, multi- millions. Take a look at their hog prices to see it's impact. Fish and fowl kills are world wide and are caulked up to VHF or some other classification. Sure some of the diagnosis are correct, however I doubt 100%. Sure there are many viruses out there, however my main concern right now is H5N1 and being added to that list is H7N2. Let's all hope and pray that more of your countrymen and women do not come down with this illness. We all know that in 2003 in the Netherlands there were 86 H7N2 infections, and since then, ample time for the disease to change, and it's just a stone's skip away from your land. regards- -jm On 30 May, 10:47, "Jill" <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote: Quote: jerrymarshali...@gmail.com wrote: Sheep Story Here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/6699831.stm Oh and some primitive geography would be useful ;) -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotlandhttp://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media Additionally I'd like to point out that LPAI doesn't kill birds. So what exactly are we dealing with? -jm Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote: Quote: I know plenty about what we are dealing with and I can assure you that I have no political motivation. I'm here solely for the data and information you all provide. If you don't like me because I'm an American, then that is your problem not mine, and that kind of attitude will not help anyone, it will only hinder us all. Contrary to what Pat might say, I do indeed like Americans, very much indeed. I have many friends there and we host quite a number of veterinary students every summer who are studying in the UK but come from all over the world. This year we have already hosted 6 from the USA and have around another 10 if memory serves. We have also had students from Canada, Thailand, Singapore, China, New Zealand, New Caledonia, Russia, as well as visitors to our working holidays from all over England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Guatemala, Australia, France, Belgium, ........................ you get the picture! However I have little patience with anyone of any nationality who plays stupid games in situations like this. In newsnet you are judged entirely on what you write. Without any introduction or explanation you inferred that an article about a farmer ignoring the regulations about the disposal of his sheep in a location about 400 miles from Chelford Market might have some relevance. <snip nothing that has not already been discussed here - nothing new> Quote: Sure there are many viruses out there, however my main concern right now is H5N1 and being added to that list is H7N2. H7N2 has been around for generations as have the rest of the H1-9 and N1-9 You clearly have done little research at all -- its been in your country for years -- it rumbles around from state to state. New York livestock market held it for years. It may be gone now as they started having more problems with it, I doubt it. Trying to get any information out of your official bodies is nigh on impossible. Quote: Let's all hope and pray that more of your countrymen and women do not come down with this illness. We all know that in 2003 in the Netherlands there were 86 H7N2 infections, That was a highly pathogenic version of H7N7 and in the intensive flocks - millions of birds were culled to control it. You really do need to do some more of your own original research and not just regurgitate so many of the bird flu sites that have sprung up to feed people like you. They are more error than accurate. I spend my days talking to people online and in real life about chickens and ducks, people from all walks of life, from all parts of the industry and from all quarters of the world. I have also spent a great deal of time finding out what is really happening rather than reading someone elses hyperbole. I am always delighted to chat to someone new, but when you prove you have not done the basic research on the actual etiology of the virus yet castigate me for my lack of care you might expect little respect. -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message news:465db6fc$0$8756$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net... . Quote: In newsnet you are judged entirely on what you write. Without any introduction or explanation you inferred that an article about a farmer ignoring the regulations about the disposal of his sheep in a location about 400 miles from Chelford Market might have some relevance. it may be that he has never heard of the fallen stock scheme, which isn't an unreasonable oversight for someone not from the EU Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media Good, then people like you will prove to be very valuable sources of information and can help to identify potential outbreaks when/if they occur. As for the Sheep dumping story, I simply asked the question, and I hope those investigating will do a proper job in determining the cause of death, as in this stage of the "game", every incident should be fully investigated as we have too much to lose. The monster is growing and no longer just killing birds, Avian Influenza has been found in Tigers, Cats, Dogs, Ferrets, Flies, Mosquitoes, etc. regards- -jm Quote: I spend my days talking to people online and in real life about chickens and ducks, people from all walks of life, from all parts of the industry and from all quarters of the world. I have also spent a great deal of time finding out what is really happening rather than reading someone elses hyperbole. I am always delighted to chat to someone new, but when you prove you have not done the basic research on the actual etiology of the virus yet castigate me for my lack of care you might expect little respect. -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotlandhttp://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media <jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1180548287.908589.155250@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Quote: Good, then people like you will prove to be very valuable sources of information and can help to identify potential outbreaks when/if they occur. As for the Sheep dumping story, I simply asked the question, ah you haven't heard of the fallen stock scheme Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote: Quote: Additionally I'd like to point out that LPAI doesn't kill birds. Oh yes it does It just does it over a longer period of time in birds that are immune stressed. In stable healthy birds it CAN just pass them by, it will frequently kill them without outward symptoms. These birds were stressed, they had been from ???? to Chelford Market where they were kept for ???? hours If they are from the original source as is increasingly likely then they were probably already ill before they got to their new home They then had their immune system further challenged by all the bugs that the rest of the birds in the market had as well as the ones that the birds both domestic and wild had in their Corwen home. For birds that are already immunocompromised by H7N2 the fact that they died is NOT surprising What indicates that its not high path is that they were not all dead within 48 hours of contracting the infection -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media Jim Webster wrote: Quote: "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message news:465db6fc$0$8756$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net... . In newsnet you are judged entirely on what you write. Without any introduction or explanation you inferred that an article about a farmer ignoring the regulations about the disposal of his sheep in a location about 400 miles from Chelford Market might have some relevance. it may be that he has never heard of the fallen stock scheme, which isn't an unreasonable oversight for someone not from the EU Except that the article mentioned it ;) -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Malcolm Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media In article <465db6fc$0$8756$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes Quote: jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote: I know plenty about what we are dealing with and I can assure you that I have no political motivation. I'm here solely for the data and information you all provide. If you don't like me because I'm an American, then that is your problem not mine, and that kind of attitude will not help anyone, it will only hinder us all. Contrary to what Pat might say, I do indeed like Americans, very much indeed. I have many friends there and we host quite a number of veterinary students every summer who are studying in the UK but come from all over the world. This year we have already hosted 6 from the USA and have around another 10 if memory serves. We have also had students from Canada, Thailand, Singapore, China, New Zealand, New Caledonia, Russia, as well as visitors to our working holidays from all over England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Guatemala, Australia, France, Belgium, ....................... you get the picture! However I have little patience with anyone of any nationality who plays stupid games in situations like this. Perhaps this new poster is one of Pat's "monitors". His level of knowledge is about what one might expect from such a person, if they exist outside Pat's mind, that is. I have just spent the last week with over 30 absolutely delightful Americans, showing them the birds of remote Scottish islands. Some, I know, will remain friends for life, along with all the other truly delightful Americans that I have met over the years. Sadly, some specimens who post on Usenet fail to match up. -- Malcolm Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote: Quote: The monster is growing and no longer just killing birds, Avian Influenza has been found in Tigers, Cats, Dogs, Ferrets, Flies, Mosquitoes, etc. If anything the monster is declining. This winter was FAR quieter than the previous ones and most if not all the aberations [ie new countries] are completely explained by Mans sheer stupidity and greed - ie trade links ;) While this is dangerous the virus was much MORE dangerous when it was creeping about in the wild waterfowl populations. Spring - Autumn 2006 in the Baltic to the Arctic and back to Northern Europe showed us that its virulence in wild populations is far weaker than might have been construed from the SE Asian experience and that they are a much less important vector now than 7 - 10 years ago. As to the range of species that AI has been found in - in its various forms - nothing is new. Granted our skills of identification and ability to extract greater and greater detail is new but the range is not. Several years ago the threat from H5N1 was much higher than now - but no-one was interested. It is VERY likely that a pandemic mutation has already occured but been destroyed in the MASSIVE culls in SE Asia at the time. Maybe another one will occur one day. None of the above diminishes the great potential of danger from the high path versions but hysteria does not make dealing with either low or high path situations any more efffective and usually quite the opposite. I would much prefer to see serious and coordinated efforts being made to help those in poorer parts of the world to stamp the virus out THERE - rather than the limpwristed hype that happens over here. The former might just achieve something - that latter sure as h### doesn't Mind you there is a body of opinion that suggests that its time Mother Nature dealt with the over populated world properly ;) -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media Are you of this opinion? -jm Quote: Mind you there is a body of opinion that suggests that its time Mother Nature dealt with the over populated world properly ;) -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotlandhttp://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote: Quote: Are you of this opinion? -jm LOL -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Gardiner Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Webster has lost it. "Jim Webster" <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote in message news:5c5nurF2v2cjpU1@mid.individual.net... Quote: "Malcolm" <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:ysXWv5XaOaXGFw+r@indaal.demon.co.uk... He is a sick man, so he tells us, with a grievance against British vets, who he claims treated him badly several years ago, since when they can do no right, in his eyes. The fact that just about everyone here is friends with or knows many excellent vets does not stop him describing them all as "bent" (= corrupt), which should give you a good insight into his mentality. However, despite nearly seven years of complaining about them he has achieved absolutely nothing, which might suggest to some people that his grievance is more imaginary than real. Newsgroups: uk.business.agriculture From: "Pat Gardiner" <patgardi...@btinternet.com Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:54:04 -0000 Local: Sat 3 Feb 2007 00:54 Subject: Personal to my friends Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author Personal to my friends I'm having a really terrible time. It seems that we have avian flu here. I'm pretty sure it is linked to pigs and circovirus. One day I well tell you the full story, God willing. Meantime, I will keep on-line as long as I can and move to other 'puters and lines as I have to. I really do have pancreatic cancer and it is pretty tough. Check the stats - 91 percent die within 16 weeks of diagnosis: most of the rest soon after. I'm now in the last couple of per cent and intend to say there - as you would expect. Remission is just about possible. But the day to day problems are pretty rough. Frankly, if they arrest me, I will be dead within 48 hours. I need drugs and TLC. Mrs Pat is completely frantic. A decent woman is scared stiff in her own homeamd not for the first time. That is not England is it? If I go missing, start raising hell. Don't delay 01986 788698 will get you Mrs Pat.... if not panic Regard Pat Gardiner All true. I was upset, ill and had too much to drink. People who are in pain do that. Absolutely normal I had pancreatic cancer and hope that I'm in a very rare remission. It is tough being confined to my home, but that will not stop me sorting a conman out. Jim Webster, the conman, has lost it. I suppose he has been sacked. His employers have found out that he has been getting alarmingly close to criminal libel. He has almost certainly stepped well over the mark, but let us be generous. I'm in no position to sue him, at the moment, and prefer to deal with this in another equally effective way. Public exposure since - he won't just slink off like the more usual conman when exposed. What has happened? Have Farmers Guardian and the CLA finally realised that they are paying a fantasist and conman? They were a bit slow on the uptake, but that is no crime, just a bit dim for organisations with pretensions to respectability The Farmers Guardian look especially stupid, but the CLA look absolutely terrible. They put him forward to represent them on a Defra committee dealing with cull compensation Let us take a look at Webster's allegations against the National Health Service. Quoting from the records Quote "This sort of thing isn't even new, the hospitals have been using full body scanners for some years now to check for fat cover etc on breeding sheep and pigs so that breeders can have the information without killing the animal." Jim Webster Unquote So a much trumpeted contributor to the Farmers Guardian and a former well promoted official of the Country Land and Business Association is making it all up. Not only that but he is taking on the NHS and accusng them of reckless behavior He is a not a terribly sensible chap is he? He needs the idiot brigade to support him. -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media For someone who has so much to say on everything else, you are sheepishly quiet with regards to this. I'll let your answer stand for itself. -jm On 30 May, 14:35, "Jill" <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote: Quote: jerrymarshali...@gmail.com wrote: Are you of this opinion? -jm LOL -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotlandhttp://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: USA Media jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote: Quote: For someone who has so much to say on everything else, No -- just things that are important to me. Quote: you are sheepishly quiet with regards to this. I'll let your answer stand for itself. Indeedy As will the few words you have written since creating your very recent online persona. -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next Page 3 of 6   Jump to: Select a forum Food and beverages----------------Food and beverages  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Invitation Escort e Accompagnatrici a Milano, Roma, Firenze, Bologna, Padova, Verona, Venezia US Swinging Microsoft remortgages Make Your Own Website Free calls to Pakistan Long island Cleaning service toxic mold UK Swingers Genuine Contacts Site floor machines Vacuum Bags 140 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group