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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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I think this raises the questions: Is it possible that other animals
could have been infected? If humans are being infected then other
mammals could possibly be infected as well. Anyone notice the deaths
of sheep in northern UK?
Sheep Story Here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/6699831.stm
On 30 May, 05:03, "Jill" <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
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Jim Webster wrote:
trouble is the marts I'm used to we are talking about transactions
probably too large for cash, and most is done on account with bills
sent out to be paid by the end of the month
I suspect that this isn't the model a lot of these poultry marts
follow, even if the same firm uses it for cattle and sheep
This does not seem to be a dedicated poultry market like some -
This was a very mixed day - and seems commonly so
This is the report for the day.
9.00 am 287 CALVES
10.00am 1400 Head POULTRY
10.45am 17 DAIRY CATTLE 9 BEEF BREEDING CATTLE
11.00am 188 STORE CATTLE (Preceded by young bulls)
11.00am 220 STORE & BREEDING PIGS
32 BUTCHERS PIGS
7 CULL SOWS AND BOARS
12.30pm 492 STORE AND BREEDING SHEEP
12.30pm 10 FARM PRODUCE
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Pat Gardiner
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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<jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't think there have been any cases of sheep anywhere catching avian
flu, unless someone knows better.
Pigs can and do catch bird flu, and it is a potentially dangerous scenario.
It is an obvious route for mutation from birds to humans.
However, Britain does not automatically check pigs for bird flu, even when
they have been in the vicinity of a serious H5N1 outbreak, let alone H7N2
This is what Britain's National Pig Association had to say on the subject
during the serious outbreak of H7N2 in turkeys in February, when as far as
in known no checks on pigs were made despite the fact that the turkey farm
was in an area with heavy concentrations of pig farms, some close to the
infected poultry.
We still await a fuller explanation for this outbreak in February and its
handling, but it seems impossible for there to be any link with the current
outbreak of H7N2
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February 4
Avian flu and pigs
The outbreak of avian flu in Suffolk has concentrated minds and reinforced
the need for good biosecurity.
The good news is that avian flu in British pigs would not trigger an export
ban. The bad news is that if your pigs were compulsorily slaughtered (which
is most unlikely), no compensation would be paid.
Q. In an outbreak of avian flu in poultry, what surveillance is carried out
on pigs?
Avian flu is a notifiable disease of poultry and birds, not pigs. Priority
is being given to dealing with disease in poultry and birds.
Where highly pathogenic avian flu is confirmed in poultry (as with the
current Suffolk case), any pigs on the infected premises (in the Suffolk
case, none) would also be tested.
Movement restrictions would be imposed until the poultry had been
slaughtered. Pigs under restrictions could only be moved off the premises
under licence.
Defra would look favourably at moving pigs to slaughter, if abattoirs would
take them. Sampling of the pigs would be carried out at the time the poultry
was killed-out, and again three weeks later. A pre-emptive cull of pigs
would be most unlikely.
Q. What if I keep pigs next door to an infected poultry unit?
There will be no routine testing of pigs kept on sites near infected poultry
premises, unless there is a significant risk that the virus is spreading.
Q. How do Defra know which poultry farms also have pigs?
The United Kingdom poultry register can be cross-referenced against the pig
register to see which premises hold both.
Q. What if my pigs were found to be infected with an avian flu type virus?
If it is in one pig then only that pig will be killed. Whole herd culls
would only be carried if a veterinary risk assessment shows the virus is
spreading through the pens from pig to pig.
Q. What tracing would be done?
There is no legal requirement to carry out forward tracings in pigs as avian
flu is not a notifiable disease in pigs.
Q. Would a case of avian flu in pigs trigger an export ban?
There is no requirement to stamp pig meat for avian flu as it is not a
notifiable disease for this pigs. Therefore there are no restrictions upon
pigmeat. All pigs not being killed for disease control can be slaughtered
for human consumption.
Q. If some of my pigs are killed, will I get compensation?
There is no legal obligation to pay compensation for pigs infected with
avian flu, so no compensation would be paid for diseased animals. But
remember, whole herd culls are unlikely.
Q. What would be the impact on a pig AI stud in a protection or surveillance
zone?
This would be no significant impact.
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <465d6169$0$8714$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill
<news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes
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Malcolm wrote:
We were due the results of tests on poultry from a farm on the Llyn
peninsula on Sunday last.
No results have yet been announced.
We will probably be the last people to know, hence the interest in
just what is published in the US.
Published on the Welsh Assembly website yesterday. You should look at
Welsh websites instead of American, but then of course you wouldn't be
able to post your nonsense like the above.
Blimey -- he has had 7 years to hone his art; and all day to practise it.
Those of us with a real life and doing lots of other things with our time
still get better results faster
Hry Ho
I suspect that that is because we know how to use the Internet  ) |
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote:
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I think this raises the questions: Is it possible that other animals
could have been infected?
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Have you done ANY homework on the virus?
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote:
Oh and some primitive geography would be useful
;)
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <1180470571.989701.79680@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com () wrote:
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*From:* jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com
*Date:* 29 May 2007 13:29:32 -0700
I'm in the US, I can assure you we have to search to find information
regarding the situation in the UK.
So do we Jerry!! |
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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On 2007-05-30, Jim Webster <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote:
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Auctions keep pretty good records of all transactions so it will be a case
of the SVS etc following up on all these individual transactions.
Hopefully there were not too many private deals done outwith the auction
setup.
Hopefully this auction company keep really good records of even wee birds,
on a busy day.
Hopefully the location of the original infection - ie where the infected
birds came from in the first place - is not one of the larger units in the
likely vicinity.
how many people just pay cash at these auctions, cheque or credit card would
at least mean that purchasers could be traced, even if you weren't too sure
of what they purchased
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Almost by definition, cash (at least here, last time I was at a fair).
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <465d32a7$0$8744$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill
<URL:mailto:news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
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Jim Webster wrote:
"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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how many people just pay cash at these auctions, cheque or credit
card would at least mean that purchasers could be traced, even if you
Certainly from our observations here with the shop in the past few years,
and especially this year, fewer and fewer or the general population carry
cash at all and even fewer use cheques.
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Some at least are reverting to cash after having card accounts drained in
the far east.
CmiIw but I imagine most of the transactions at the auction would have been
payable with no more than a couple of notes? Far quicker to pay cash than
to dig out a card and go through the rimarole. The rfi cards that we're
supposed to be getting soon are intended to get around even this but I can't
help thinking that they'll be a gift for any thief wandering through crowdwd
places with a portable reader - no, cash still has life in it yet.
Cheerio,
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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On 30 May, 15:47, "Jill" <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry, Take no notice.
Not all Scots are as appallingly rude as this woman. She is well known
as a stalker and general nuisance. In fact, there is a story that she
is not even Scots.
She almost certainly knows less about American geography than you do
about British. She teams up with that moron Malcolm. The pair get
regularly wound up by a nutter who has a political agenda and thinks
them useful.
You post here if you want to. We need some American commonsense and
plain speaking. Some of this lot live in some anti-American time
capsule totally inhabited by failures.
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com
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;)
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <1180534452.849019.89640@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
<URL:mailto:jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com> wrote:
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I think this raises the questions: Is it possible that other animals
could have been infected? If humans are being infected then other
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Outside chance - pigs are probably susceptible but this is only a problem in
the minds of media reporters desperate for a story and possibly of a few
poultry keepers who need to pass on disease free birds to other parts of the
trade. It's so mild that most people and many birds will recover from it
without suffering anything worse than a summer cold.
Red herring. Miles away and sheep can find plenty of other ways to die.
That case looks like someone being unable/unwilling to afford the fee for
official disposal of dead stock and simply continuing to do what was
perfectly legal until a couple of years ago.
Birds get flu - they always have and they always will. Mostly the trade
deals with it as a matter of routine - as they did even with H5N1 until
recent scare stories. People get flu(even if much of the 'flu' is no more
than the common cold.) and they will continue to get flu. Eventually there
will be a pandemic - the best we can do is to postpone it - and it might in
practice be better to have the next pandemic sooner rather than later.
This mini outbreak is nothing for the general population** to worry about.
Cheerio,
** Jill might have reason to worry.
Pat Gardiner has no need to worry but deperately needs something around
which to concoct the next conspiracy theory.
The parents of the children exposed to the virus should be pleased that
their childrens' immune systems have been given a workout.
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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Derek Moody wrote:
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In article <465d32a7$0$8744$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Jill
URL:mailto:news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
Jim Webster wrote:
"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:465d2410$0$8747$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
how many people just pay cash at these auctions, cheque or credit
card would at least mean that purchasers could be traced, even if
you
Certainly from our observations here with the shop in the past few
years, and especially this year, fewer and fewer or the general
population carry cash at all and even fewer use cheques.
Some at least are reverting to cash after having card accounts
drained in the far east.
CmiIw but I imagine most of the transactions at the auction would
have been payable with no more than a couple of notes?
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According to the report the prices were not bad
Over £10 and £20 per bird up to over a hundred.
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Far quicker
to pay cash than to dig out a card and go through the rimarole. The
rfi cards that we're supposed to be getting soon are intended to get
around even this but I can't help thinking that they'll be a gift for
any thief wandering through crowdwd places with a portable reader -
no, cash still has life in it yet.
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I agree with the potential problems but as I say with the tourists around
this year cards are more and more prevalent. Its a trend we ahve watched for
over 20 years now.
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Jill Bowis
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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Derek Moody wrote:
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Birds get flu - they always have and they always will.
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No they don't.
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Mostly the trade deals with it as a matter of routine
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Not unless they are particularly stupid
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- as they did even with H5N1 until recent scare stories.
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Wrong again
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This mini outbreak is nothing for the general population** to worry
about.
** Jill might have reason to worry.
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Wrong again as a poultry keepr or as a person
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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In article <1180539761.655406.221040@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
patgardiner@btinternet.com writes
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On 30 May, 15:47, "Jill" <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
jerrymarshali...@gmail.com wrote:
Sheep Story Here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/6699831.stm
Oh and some primitive geography would be useful
Jerry, Take no notice.
Not all Scots are as appallingly rude as this woman. She is well known
as a stalker and general nuisance. In fact, there is a story that she
is not even Scots.
She almost certainly knows less about American geography than you do
about British. She teams up with that moron Malcolm. The pair get
regularly wound up by a nutter who has a political agenda and thinks
them useful.
You post here if you want to. We need some American commonsense and
plain speaking. Some of this lot live in some anti-American time
capsule totally inhabited by failures.
Jerry |
Pat regularly insults posters here who contradict what he writes. He
does this through ad hominem remarks, as here. Be warned, also, that he
also resorts to libelling people.
Ad hominem remarks are, of course, the last defence of someone who knows
he has comprehensively lost the argument and is thus reduced to childish
name-calling. Please treat all his postings with considerable caution as
they may well contain misleading information if not downright lies. It
is when this is pointed out to him, which is frequently, that he
indulges in his juvenile behaviour.
He is a sick man, so he tells us, with a grievance against British vets,
who he claims treated him badly several years ago, since when they can
do no right, in his eyes. The fact that just about everyone here is
friends with or knows many excellent vets does not stop him describing
them all as "bent" (= corrupt), which should give you a good insight
into his mentality. However, despite nearly seven years of complaining
about them he has achieved absolutely nothing, which might suggest to
some people that his grievance is more imaginary than real.
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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"Derek Moody" <derek@farm-direct.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ant3015367a1BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
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In article <1180534452.849019.89640@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
URL:mailto:jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this raises the questions: Is it possible that other animals
could have been infected? If humans are being infected then other
Outside chance - pigs are probably susceptible but this is only a problem
in
the minds of media reporters desperate for a story and possibly of a few
poultry keepers who need to pass on disease free birds to other parts of
the
trade. It's so mild that most people and many birds will recover from it
without suffering anything worse than a summer cold.
mammals could possibly be infected as well. Anyone notice the deaths
of sheep in northern UK?
Sheep Story Here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/6699831.stm
Red herring. Miles away and sheep can find plenty of other ways to die.
That case looks like someone being unable/unwilling to afford the fee for
official disposal of dead stock and simply continuing to do what was
perfectly legal until a couple of years ago.
Birds get flu - they always have and they always will. Mostly the trade
deals with it as a matter of routine - as they did even with H5N1 until
recent scare stories. People get flu(even if much of the 'flu' is no more
than the common cold.) and they will continue to get flu. Eventually
there
will be a pandemic - the best we can do is to postpone it - and it might
in
practice be better to have the next pandemic sooner rather than later.
This mini outbreak is nothing for the general population** to worry about.
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That is not the opinion of the World Health Organisation, or the world's
largest turkey producer.
I think I prefer their expertise to yours. I'm sure you understand
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Cheerio,
** Jill might have reason to worry.
Pat Gardiner has no need to worry but deperately needs something around
which to concoct the next conspiracy theory.
The parents of the children exposed to the virus should be pleased that
their childrens' immune systems have been given a workout.
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You are, of course, quite wrong and your remarks are deliberately insulting.
I have no history of fabricating conspiracy theories, I just don't like bent
government vets and especially ones who invade homes to threaten those that
report them to Parliament.
I also don't like people who defend corruption. I came here to ask for help.
You claimed to experts and were taken as such by many. You (collective)
thought it huge fun to impede my efforts to get a reform of Britain's State
Veterinary Service. It turned out that few of you had any relevant
expertise.
As you have now realised you took on rather more than you appreciated at the
time. It is something that may yet prove very embarrassing. We shall have to
see.
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: USA Media |
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"Malcolm" <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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He is a sick man, so he tells us, with a grievance against British vets,
who he claims treated him badly several years ago, since when they can do
no right, in his eyes. The fact that just about everyone here is friends
with or knows many excellent vets does not stop him describing them all as
"bent" (= corrupt), which should give you a good insight into his
mentality. However, despite nearly seven years of complaining about them
he has achieved absolutely nothing, which might suggest to some people
that his grievance is more imaginary than real.
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From: "Pat Gardiner" <patgardi...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:54:04 -0000
Local: Sat 3 Feb 2007 00:54
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Personal to my friends
I'm having a really terrible time.
It seems that we have avian flu here. I'm pretty sure it is linked to pigs
and circovirus.
One day I well tell you the full story, God willing.
Meantime, I will keep on-line as long as I can and move to other 'puters and
lines as I have to.
I really do have pancreatic cancer and it is pretty tough. Check the
stats - 91 percent die within 16 weeks of diagnosis: most of the rest soon
after.
I'm now in the last couple of per cent and intend to say there - as you
would expect. Remission is just about possible. But the day to day problems
are pretty rough.
Frankly, if they arrest me, I will be dead within 48 hours. I need drugs and
TLC.
Mrs Pat is completely frantic. A decent woman is scared stiff in her own
homeamd not for the first time. That is not England is it?
If I go missing, start raising hell. Don't delay
01986 788698 will get you Mrs Pat.... if not panic
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