Food and beverages Food and beverages    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  SVS media manipulation Goto page 1, 2  Next          Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Pat Gardiner Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: SVS media manipulation Pat's Note: It is well worth using the "Sort by date with duplicates included" option on Google news once in a while, rather than the more usual "Sort by date" You get a very different picture of what the US are reading about events in Britain. Try "bird flu" Wales. We get twenty different versions of the news, but because of the US syndicated system, virtually the whole of the US read in their newspapers one version. The difference really matters on occasion. At the moment, they are getting this - everywhere. Does it matter? I think it does. Most Americans will regard the situation in the UK as much more serious than most Britons. When people like Defra start to manipulate the news, they have to realise that the American media are not quite as tame and dependant on them as the average British agricultural journalist. Read the US media every day. They ain't so dumb and frequently select the "unauthorised" version of events. It is usually the least manipulated one too. The propensity for the SVS to leak to, butter-up and threaten the British agricultural media really backfires on Britain. We look like something that has just reluctantly crawled out from behind the iron curtain. http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-3/1180435801288870.xml&storylist=international 4 in Britain test positive for bird flu 5/29/2007, 3:46 a.m. PDT By MARIA CHENG The Associated Press LONDON (AP) - Four people in Britain who tested positive for a mild strain of bird flu should serve as a reminder that a virus other than the feared H5N1 strain could also provoke a flu pandemic, experts say. Health officials in recent years have focused on the threat from H5N1, which has killed at least 186 people worldwide since 2003. But some experts worry that seemingly less dangerous bird flu subtypes like H7 aren't getting enough attention. "There may be a bit of complacency when it comes to recognizing the pandemic potential of H7 viruses," said Dr. Michael Perdue, a World Health Organization expert. etc etc Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Malcolm Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation In article <Jd2dncz4-s1KhcHbRVnyjgA@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner <patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes Quote: Read the US media every day. They ain't so dumb and frequently select the "unauthorised" version of events. It is usually the least manipulated one too. So, you've discovered that several newspapers in the US rely on AP for articles. Well done! Maria Cheng is an AP medical reporter based mainly in London and, unsurprisingly, she has been writing about the AI outbreak in Wales. All your pretence that it has anything to do with the US media finding out anything different for themselves or that this article is somehow an "unauthorised" version of events is just a load of typical rubbish on your part. And you could have saved yourself all that googling by just reading her article on the AP website. -- Malcolm Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation Malcolm wrote: Quote: In article <Jd2dncz4-s1KhcHbRVnyjgA@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes Read the US media every day. They ain't so dumb and frequently select the "unauthorised" version of events. It is usually the least manipulated one too. So, you've discovered that several newspapers in the US rely on AP for articles. Well done! Maria Cheng is an AP medical reporter based mainly in London and, unsurprisingly, she has been writing about the AI outbreak in Wales. All your pretence that it has anything to do with the US media finding out anything different for themselves or that this article is somehow an "unauthorised" version of events is just a load of typical rubbish on your part. And you could have saved yourself all that googling by just reading her article on the AP website. Loses credibility in her first paragraph <quote>Four people in Britain who tested positive for a mild strain of bird flu should serve as a reminder that a virus other than the feared H5N1 strain could also provoke a flu pandemic, experts say.<unquote> hmm - She doesn't mention the many people who have tested positive to various low path AI viruses around the States over the years. and - while its a technically accurate statement in that other H7 and H5 can go highly pathogenic, this is a low pathogenic virus in a extensive situation. This is not a scenario that high pathogenic occurs in readily, which is where the human to human deadly strains are most dangerous. This particular virus is much easier to pick up as a low grade infection than H5N1. Its one of the saving graces, if you like, that H5N1 is particularly difficult to contract which is preventing much more serious situations in Asia, It is extremely unscientific to compare as like with like especially to a journalist. Pennington and others have learnt that lesson in the past, when they tried to oversimplify and ended up misinforming. The expert there sounded like he was putting out a sales pitch for his own research work to be honest. If he can benefit out of this situation and there is a long term benefit to every one else then good on him. All incidences of any bird flu outbreaks are of serious concern. And its important that this is resolved as well as can be expected. However its as important to make sure that the very great deal that is known about these viruses is used as well. And setting people off into a frenzy of vaccinate - vaccinate - vaccinate is only driving lots of business into the hands of the pharmaceutical giants to no good effect for the birds. There IS NO EFFECTIVE VACCINE available to cover all 9 H and all 9 N variants, let alone all the individual recombinants of each option . When will people actually read any of the information that is out there with a grey cell sparkling. I know that by now I should be used to it but its still astonishing the foolishness that is being written around the WWW. -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Elaine Jones Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation Quoting from message <QH9uFfDxlEXGFw5y@indaal.demon.co.uk> posted on 29 May 2007 by Malcolm I would like to add: Quote: In article <Jd2dncz4-s1KhcHbRVnyjgA@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes Read the US media every day. They ain't so dumb and frequently select the "unauthorised" version of events. It is usually the least manipulated one too. So, you've discovered that several newspapers in the US rely on AP for articles. Well done! Maria Cheng is an AP medical reporter based mainly in London and, unsurprisingly, she has been writing about the AI outbreak in Wales. All your pretence that it has anything to do with the US media finding out anything different for themselves or that this article is somehow an "unauthorised" version of events is just a load of typical rubbish on your part. And you could have saved yourself all that googling by just reading her article on the AP website. Welsh Edition of the Daily Post has good coverage of the current outbreak - 12 children at a village school by Denbigh have been given vaccine as one who had visited the farm had tested positive, as had her father - mother initially positive then negative. -- ..ElaineJ. Visit Jones' Pages at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones ..Virtual. Corwen, North Wales; Steam Traction, with feature on Fodens; StrongArm Textures/Backdrops; Spring Graphics ..RISC PC. CMMGB with pics of pre- WW 1 Dawson & Yukon Volunteers. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation Elaine Jones wrote: Quote: Welsh Edition of the Daily Post has good coverage of the current outbreak - 12 children at a village school by Denbigh have been given vaccine as one who had visited the farm had tested positive, as had her father - mother initially positive then negative. I would like to see a bit more of the info about the source of this infection. Its not so likely to be in Wales. Hopefully it will be forthcoming. 22 youngsters is not a small consignment -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Gardiner Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation "Elaine Jones" <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:4e2cafea4e.E@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk... Quote: Quoting from message <QH9uFfDxlEXGFw5y@indaal.demon.co.uk posted on 29 May 2007 by Malcolm I would like to add: In article <Jd2dncz4-s1KhcHbRVnyjgA@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes Read the US media every day. They ain't so dumb and frequently select the "unauthorised" version of events. It is usually the least manipulated one too. So, you've discovered that several newspapers in the US rely on AP for articles. Well done! Maria Cheng is an AP medical reporter based mainly in London and, unsurprisingly, she has been writing about the AI outbreak in Wales. All your pretence that it has anything to do with the US media finding out anything different for themselves or that this article is somehow an "unauthorised" version of events is just a load of typical rubbish on your part. And you could have saved yourself all that googling by just reading her article on the AP website. Welsh Edition of the Daily Post has good coverage of the current outbreak - 12 children at a village school by Denbigh have been given vaccine as one who had visited the farm had tested positive, as had her father - mother initially positive then negative. How do you know it is good coverage? I started out neutral. I had not met corrupt SVS civil servants before. I was an innocent I'm not being funny, but merely because you believe it, and maybe even find it congenial, does not make it reliable. I have been close to the epicentre ot two, arguably three, epidemics. The media coverage was crap. Bent governent vets were running the show. What the SVS wanted us to know was what we got. It is all happening again. -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com Quote: -- .ElaineJ. Visit Jones' Pages at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones .Virtual. Corwen, North Wales; Steam Traction, with feature on Fodens; StrongArm Textures/Backdrops; Spring Graphics .RISC PC. CMMGB with pics of pre- WW 1 Dawson & Yukon Volunteers. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Malcolm Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation In article <5sSdneQIwctO5cHbnZ2dnUVZ8tChnZ2d@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner <patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes Quote: "Elaine Jones" <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:4e2cafea4e.E@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk... Quoting from message <QH9uFfDxlEXGFw5y@indaal.demon.co.uk posted on 29 May 2007 by Malcolm I would like to add: In article <Jd2dncz4-s1KhcHbRVnyjgA@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes Read the US media every day. They ain't so dumb and frequently select the "unauthorised" version of events. It is usually the least manipulated one too. So, you've discovered that several newspapers in the US rely on AP for articles. Well done! Maria Cheng is an AP medical reporter based mainly in London and, unsurprisingly, she has been writing about the AI outbreak in Wales. All your pretence that it has anything to do with the US media finding out anything different for themselves or that this article is somehow an "unauthorised" version of events is just a load of typical rubbish on your part. And you could have saved yourself all that googling by just reading her article on the AP website. Welsh Edition of the Daily Post has good coverage of the current outbreak - 12 children at a village school by Denbigh have been given vaccine as one who had visited the farm had tested positive, as had her father - mother initially positive then negative. How do you know it is good coverage? You claimed the US media coverage was better than the UK, but I note that you haven't commented on my pointing out that it was all from the one London-based AP reporter. Presumably, you hadn't noticed. Quote: I started out neutral. I had not met corrupt SVS civil servants before. I was an innocent And what are you now, would you say? An idiot? Quote: I'm not being funny, but merely because you believe it, and maybe even find it congenial, does not make it reliable. Your own posts are most certainly not "reliable". Quote: I have been close to the epicentre ot two, arguably three, epidemics. From what you've posted here, you have been very marginally involved in one. Quote: The media coverage was crap. Then why do you keep posting great dollops of it here? Quote: Bent governent vets were running the show. What the SVS wanted us to know was what we got. Ah, the Gardiner mantra is spewed out yet again Quote: It is all happening again. And they're no doubt out to get you. Look behind you, Pat. -- Malcolm Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation I'm in the US, I can assure you we have to search to find information regarding the situation in the UK. jm Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Elaine Jones Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation Quoting from message <jpHCuJIbjIXGFw8O@indaal.demon.co.uk> posted on 29 May 2007 by Malcolm I would like to add: Quote: In article <5sSdneQIwctO5cHbnZ2dnUVZ8tChnZ2d@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes "Elaine Jones" <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:4e2cafea4e.E@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk... Welsh Edition of the Daily Post has good coverage of the current outbreak - 12 children at a village school by Denbigh have been given vaccine as one who had visited the farm had tested positive, as had her father - mother initially positive then negative. How do you know it is good coverage? You claimed the US media coverage was better than the UK, but I note that you haven't commented on my pointing out that it was all from the one London-based AP reporter. Presumably, you hadn't noticed. All Pat has to do is look up the relevant online edition of the Daily Post, then he'll see that it carries extensive local information and that the bulk of its medical info is published in advance of his favoured US sources and in as much detail. Apart from that I know the area where it's happening. -- ..ElaineJ. Briallen Gifts/Cards catalogue at http://www.briallen.co.uk ..Virtual. Corn Dollies, Cards, Coasters, Mousemats, Kids' Tshirts StrongArm Jones' Pages at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones ..RISC PC. Corwen, North Wales; Steam Traction;CMMGB&Yukon Volunteers. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Elaine Jones Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation Quoting from message <1180470757.456944.87160@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> posted on 29 May 2007 by jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com I would like to add: Quote: I'm in the US, I can assure you we have to search to find information regarding the situation in the UK. Well what else would you expect, of course you have to search for it you're not getting the local newspapers delivered are you? You could listen to local news online, Radio Wales or Radio Cymru. -- ..ElaineJ. Visit Jones' Pages at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones ..Virtual. Corwen, North Wales; Steam Traction, with feature on Fodens; StrongArm Textures/Backdrops; Spring Graphics ..RISC PC. CMMGB with pics of pre- WW 1 Dawson & Yukon Volunteers. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com wrote: Quote: I'm in the US, I can assure you we have to search to find information regarding the situation in the UK. jm Its not hard though, even from your own computer desk. Some basic research gives you the most important websites, using the search and alert facilities in various parts of the internet brings many others to your very screen. Then sort the dross from the gems. Its much harder to find out about what is donein US outbreaks and incidences. Even the various government departments deny all knowledge. -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Malcolm Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation In article <77c5c7ea4e.E@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>, Elaine Jones <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> writes Quote: Quoting from message <jpHCuJIbjIXGFw8O@indaal.demon.co.uk posted on 29 May 2007 by Malcolm I would like to add: In article <5sSdneQIwctO5cHbnZ2dnUVZ8tChnZ2d@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes "Elaine Jones" <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:4e2cafea4e.E@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk... Welsh Edition of the Daily Post has good coverage of the current outbreak - 12 children at a village school by Denbigh have been given vaccine as one who had visited the farm had tested positive, as had her father - mother initially positive then negative. How do you know it is good coverage? You claimed the US media coverage was better than the UK, but I note that you haven't commented on my pointing out that it was all from the one London-based AP reporter. Presumably, you hadn't noticed. All Pat has to do is look up the relevant online edition of the Daily Post, then he'll see that it carries extensive local information and that the bulk of its medical info is published in advance of his favoured US sources and in as much detail. Apart from that I know the area where it's happening. Oh, come on, Elaine, Pat is never going to take the simple route to news finding as that would spoil his day. His conspiracy theories rely on dragging in the USA and Canada on all possible occasions. After all, don't forget that that's where his imaginary "monitors" hang out. -- Malcolm Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Gardiner Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation "Elaine Jones" <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:77c5c7ea4e.E@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk... Quote: Quoting from message <jpHCuJIbjIXGFw8O@indaal.demon.co.uk posted on 29 May 2007 by Malcolm I would like to add: In article <5sSdneQIwctO5cHbnZ2dnUVZ8tChnZ2d@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes "Elaine Jones" <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:4e2cafea4e.E@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk... Welsh Edition of the Daily Post has good coverage of the current outbreak - 12 children at a village school by Denbigh have been given vaccine as one who had visited the farm had tested positive, as had her father - mother initially positive then negative. How do you know it is good coverage? You claimed the US media coverage was better than the UK, but I note that you haven't commented on my pointing out that it was all from the one London-based AP reporter. Presumably, you hadn't noticed. All Pat has to do is look up the relevant online edition of the Daily Post, then he'll see that it carries extensive local information and that the bulk of its medical info is published in advance of his favoured US sources and in as much detail. Apart from that I know the area where it's happening. Taking you last point, first. I seem to remember that knowing the area did not count for much to ukba during the Matthews fiasco. I didn't comment on Malcolm's posting because, as you know, I think he is a complete idiot and remain totally baffled as to why anyone would take him seriously. He is probably stirred up because I notice that the Scottish Executive are currently examining their subsidies to his favourite quango. As for checking individual papers, the only practical way to do it is, of course, Google with a sensible search. Google is not infallible, but you do get a good overview and a sense of what the international media are reporting. For example, I already know this morning that one eminant ukba regular has signed a petition and this is regarded as deeply significant and of great national interset by the FG. It has not made the international media yet. The US often publish first and it is often AP. That means, in effect, that the AP version is the one exclusively read by the US. In this case, and that is the point, it is a good article and makes a nonsense of the complacency and cockiness common in the UK. The WHO are alarmed. Merely because Pennington is not, is no reason to ignore the WHO and the fact that it is their view that is being disseminated abroad. By the way, where are those results from Llyn? Do you know why they are so late? -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com Quote: -- .ElaineJ. Briallen Gifts/Cards catalogue at http://www.briallen.co.uk .Virtual. Corn Dollies, Cards, Coasters, Mousemats, Kids' Tshirts StrongArm Jones' Pages at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones .RISC PC. Corwen, North Wales; Steam Traction;CMMGB&Yukon Volunteers. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Malcolm Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation In article <dsydnepUYrbQt8DbnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner <patgardiner@btinternet.com> writes Quote: I didn't comment on Malcolm's posting because, as you know, I think he is a complete idiot and remain totally baffled as to why anyone would take him seriously. Yet you took me seriously enough to threaten me with a libel action for something I never wrote. And you have taken me seriously enough to libel me several times in your increasingly desperate attempts to persuade yourself that what you have written is correct when I, and others, have no difficulty in pointing out that you are wrong. -- Malcolm Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor greymaus Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: SVS media manipulation On 2007-05-29, Elaine Jones <elaine@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote: Quote: Quoting from message 1180470757.456944.87160@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com posted on 29 May 2007 by jerrymarshalihan@gmail.com I would like to add: I'm in the US, I can assure you we have to search to find information regarding the situation in the UK. Well what else would you expect, of course you have to search for it you're not getting the local newspapers delivered are you? You could listen to local news online, Radio Wales or Radio Cymru. Does Radio Cymru broadcast in Welsh?? Funny thing, with Wales our nearest neighbour down here, not a mention of this on Irish News.. just whether Tweedledum or Tweedledee will form next government. -- Greymaus Just another grumpy old man Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Food and beverages----------------Food and beverages  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Website Incall and Outcall Escorts in Milan, Rome, Florence, Naples, Turin, Venice Swingers and Swinging Food and beverages car insurance quotes Make Your Own Website Cheap phone calls to India Cleaning Service toxic mold UK Swingers Genuine Contacts Site floor machines Vacuum Parts 140 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group