Food and beverages Food and beverages    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  H7N2 reaction Goto page 1, 2  Next          Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Jill Guest Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: H7N2 reaction I hope this is not a true reflection of the population's view http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?sectionid=5987&articleid=2907610 Are you worried about avian flu? 13% No - its all been blown out of proportion 62% Yes - I think it is going to turn into a pandemic 25% Not really but I do get concerned when it appears in the news -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oh No Guest Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction Thus spake Jill <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> Quote: I hope this is not a true reflection of the population's view http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?sectionid=5987&articlei d=2907610 Are you worried about avian flu? 13% No - its all been blown out of proportion 62% Yes - I think it is going to turn into a pandemic 25% Not really but I do get concerned when it appears in the news Oh I don't know. 62% is just about enough to instigate a meaningles panic. Isn't that the point of the exercise? Regards -- Charles Francis moderator sci.physics.foundations. substitute charles for NotI to email -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction In article <4657f0be$0$8712$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk (Jill) wrote: Quote: *From:* "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk *Date:* Sat, 26 May 2007 09:36:06 +0100 I hope this is not a true reflection of the population's view http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?sectionid=5987&article id=2907610 Are you worried about avian flu? 13% No - its all been blown out of proportion 62% Yes - I think it is going to turn into a pandemic 25% Not really but I do get concerned when it appears in the news -- Loaded questions really though, a bit like the over active headline on the article too. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pat Gardiner Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction "Oh No" <NotI@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:3DytdJJYzAWGFw1N@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk... Quote: Thus spake Jill <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk I hope this is not a true reflection of the population's view http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?sectionid=5987&articlei d=2907610 Are you worried about avian flu? 13% No - its all been blown out of proportion 62% Yes - I think it is going to turn into a pandemic 25% Not really but I do get concerned when it appears in the news Oh I don't know. 62% is just about enough to instigate a meaningles panic. Isn't that the point of the exercise? Panic is a basic human right, especially when confronted by complacent corrupt government officials telling you there is nothing to worry about. If you take any SVS assurance that there is nothing to worry about, then you are naive in the extreme. Fortunately from some obscure mechanism, that I do not understand, the "people" en-mass, have more sense than all the politicians, bent vets, scientists and wannabe scientists added together. We call, it democracy, for want of anything better. -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com Quote: Regards -- Charles Francis moderator sci.physics.foundations. substitute charles for NotI to email -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction On 26 May, 16:10, "Pat Gardiner" <patgardi...@btinternet.com> wrote: Quote: "Oh No" <N...@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:3DytdJJYzAWGFw1N@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk... Thus spake Jill <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk I hope this is not a true reflection of the population's view http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?sectionid=5987&articlei d=2907610 Are you worried about avian flu? 13% No - its all been blown out of proportion 62% Yes - I think it is going to turn into a pandemic 25% Not really but I do get concerned when it appears in the news Oh I don't know. 62% is just about enough to instigate a meaningles panic. Isn't that the point of the exercise? Panic is a basic human right, especially when confronted by complacent corrupt government officials telling you there is nothing to worry about. If you take any SVS assurance that there is nothing to worry about, then you are naive in the extreme. Fortunately from some obscure mechanism, that I do not understand, the "people" en-mass, have more sense than all the politicians, bent vets, scientists and wannabe scientists added together. We call, it democracy, for want of anything better. -- Regards Pat Gardinerwww.go-self-sufficient.com Regards -- Charles Francis moderator sci.physics.foundations. substitute charles for NotI to email -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The cases of human H7N2 cases will likely grow considerably http://www.recombinomics.com/News/05270701/H7N2_Efficient_11.html Unlike H5N1, H7N2 is efficiently transmitted from human to human, and the confirmed 11 positives are only the tip of a growing iceburg. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction henry_niman@recombinomics.com wrote: Quote: Unlike H5N1, H7N2 is efficiently transmitted from human to human, and the confirmed 11 positives are only the tip of a growing iceburg. The second site being tested and humans involved are directly related to the market. In low pathogenic domestic outbreaks like this one H7N2 is not particularly infective, and, even those who are symptoms the same as "normal" flu, uncomfortable for a few days but certainly not life threatening. The virus has been around the New York livestock markets for YEARS with very few ill people and only one hospitalised in the past 10 years. It has been rumbling around America for years, and the rest of the world. In the Dutch case you quote in your website there were MILLIONS of birds culled due to a HIGHLY PATHOGENIC H7N7 virus You are comparing apples and pears. Your site is misleading and inaccurate. -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message news:4659ae68$0$8754$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net... Quote: henry_niman@recombinomics.com wrote: Unlike H5N1, H7N2 is efficiently transmitted from human to human, and the confirmed 11 positives are only the tip of a growing iceburg. The second site being tested and humans involved are directly related to the market. In low pathogenic domestic outbreaks like this one H7N2 is not particularly infective, and, even those who are symptoms the same as "normal" flu, uncomfortable for a few days but certainly not life threatening. The virus has been around the New York livestock markets for YEARS with very few ill people and only one hospitalised in the past 10 years. It has been rumbling around America for years, and the rest of the world. In the Dutch case you quote in your website there were MILLIONS of birds culled due to a HIGHLY PATHOGENIC H7N7 virus You are comparing apples and pears. Your site is misleading and inaccurate. indeed if we had collected a bounty for every claim that millions were going to die becauseof disease caught from livestock. agriculture might even be profitable It is amazing the enthusiasm some have for predicting megadeath. It seems that BSE proved a sad disappointment to some, the way it failed to live up to their expectations Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor buddenbrooks Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction "Jim Webster" <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote in message news:5bts8oF2ub33gU1@mid.individual.net... Quote: . It seems that BSE proved a sad disappointment to some, the way it failed to live up to their expectations As the government seem hell bent in following soviet Russian techniques with todays paper claiming the government is to classify VIP botherers as "mentally ill" and allow unlimited detention without benifit of magistrate. The next one will be movement restrictions and "internal passports" and no doubt form 'Gov101 permit to travel outside of county of residence'. A good outbreak of avian flu could be a good excuse to introduce general movement restrictions. Todays paper had details of suggested change in police powers to stop and search and demand where an individual has come from and where they are going and to what purpose. Supposedly to counter terrorism. I suspect most terrorists will have a cover story. Searchs might produce evidence of a recent crime or carrying prohibited items, the other questions can only invade privacy. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Howard Neil Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction buddenbrooks wrote: Quote: Todays paper had details of suggested change in police powers to stop and search and demand where an individual has come from and where they are going and to what purpose. Supposedly to counter terrorism. I suspect most terrorists will have a cover story. Searchs might produce evidence of a recent crime or carrying prohibited items, the other questions can only invade privacy. All agreed. This latest move has nothing to do with either security or crime prevention. It has all to do with control of the masses and trying to make it look as if the government is effective. -- Howard Neil Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Peter Duncanson Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:16:40 +0100, Howard Neil <hneil@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote: Quote: buddenbrooks wrote: Todays paper had details of suggested change in police powers to stop and search and demand where an individual has come from and where they are going and to what purpose. Supposedly to counter terrorism. I suspect most terrorists will have a cover story. Searchs might produce evidence of a recent crime or carrying prohibited items, the other questions can only invade privacy. All agreed. This latest move has nothing to do with either security or crime prevention. It has all to do with control of the masses and trying to make it look as if the government is effective. Quite. The powers to stop, search and ask where to and where from were used in Northern Ireland. However the circumstances were very different. There were daily terrorist attacks (several each day), and terrorist weapons, ammunition and explosives were being moved from place to place apparently all the time. My personal experience of this questioning was at routine vehicle checkpoints. The "where to and from?" seemed to be a partly to get answers to those questions, but also served as a conversation starter so that the driver's general demeanour and state of mind could be assessed. Typically one police officer or soldier would talk to the driver while another would take the driver's driving licence to check its validity (by radio). Yet another would be searching the car boot or whatever for nasties. The conversation with the driver also made it possible to see whether any occupants of the car were recognisable as people on a list of those to be watched out for. While this questioning did involve an invasion of privacy and could be very irritating, most innocent people recognised that this was better than the invasion of one's life by a terrorist attack. The terrorist situation in Britain does not seem to justify any widespread use of stop, question and search powers. It might be reasonable to have these powers in reserve, but with the present government we are likely to see targets for the number of people to be stopped each day. -- Peter Duncanson, UK (in uk.business.agriculture) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Old Codger Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:36 am    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction Peter Duncanson wrote: Quote: The terrorist situation in Britain does not seem to justify any widespread use of stop, question and search powers. It might be reasonable to have these powers in reserve, but with the present government we are likely to see targets for the number of people to be stopped each day. Don't forget that Bliars immediate public response following the attacks was that we must not let terrorists disrupt our way of life. Yet another example of policy being the opposite of statements. -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor buddenbrooks Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction "Peter Duncanson" <mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote in message news:g5oj53lhnat64mnoadg7jij0av9f34qb5m@4ax.com... Quote: On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:16:40 +0100, Howard Neil My personal experience of this questioning was at routine vehicle checkpoints. The "where to and from?" seemed to be a partly to get answers to those questions, but also served as a conversation starter Actually this does not worry me so much as the move to "mental illness" & other reasons to detain without due process of law. We are moving away from "you are free to follow your own business providing you do not break the law, as proven through the courts" to one of detention on suspision where those making the decision have no recognised legal training. We have a system of two independed bodies leading to imprisonment, the police to investigate a crime and a court to determine guilt. Injustice can occur but it is difficult to manipulate the system because of this independance. If we coninue down the non-court route we have the instigators of an attack on an individuals liberty also choosing who will determine the validity of the case, i.e. 'pet' doctors. I was listening to desert island disks and Paul Meccena (spelling) as guest. He was discussing the case that was brought against him by a schizophrenic. The man found a psychiatrist who was qualified and swore under oath that it was clear the Paul Meccana brought down demons to inhabit the schizoprenics mind. This is not the sort of qualified professional I want determining my freedom. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor greymaus Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction On 2007-05-27, Jim Webster <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote: Quote: threatening. The virus has been around the New York livestock markets for YEARS with very few ill people and only one hospitalised in the past 10 years. It has been rumbling around America for years, and the rest of the world. In the Dutch case you quote in your website there were MILLIONS of birds culled due to a HIGHLY PATHOGENIC H7N7 virus You are comparing apples and pears. Your site is misleading and inaccurate. indeed if we had collected a bounty for every claim that millions were going to die becauseof disease caught from livestock. agriculture might even be profitable It is amazing the enthusiasm some have for predicting megadeath. It seems that BSE proved a sad disappointment to some, the way it failed to live up to their expectations As Gay Byrne, a chat show host, announced years ago `Heterosexual Aids, the next big thing'.. in the meantime, gay has retired, decades have passed, and heterosexual Ais has stll not arrived. -- Greymaus Just another grumpy old man Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction "greymaus" <greymaus@gmaildo.tcom> wrote in message news:slrnf5k1ah.41n.greymaus@localhost.localdomain... Quote: On 2007-05-27, Jim Webster <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote: threatening. The virus has been around the New York livestock markets for YEARS with very few ill people and only one hospitalised in the past 10 years. It has been rumbling around America for years, and the rest of the world. In the Dutch case you quote in your website there were MILLIONS of birds culled due to a HIGHLY PATHOGENIC H7N7 virus You are comparing apples and pears. Your site is misleading and inaccurate. indeed if we had collected a bounty for every claim that millions were going to die becauseof disease caught from livestock. agriculture might even be profitable It is amazing the enthusiasm some have for predicting megadeath. It seems that BSE proved a sad disappointment to some, the way it failed to live up to their expectations As Gay Byrne, a chat show host, announced years ago `Heterosexual Aids, the next big thing'.. in the meantime, gay has retired, decades have passed, and heterosexual Ais has stll not arrived. the circus moves on, wonder what they'll find to wet themselves over when bird flu doesn't pan out Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: H7N2 reaction "buddenbrooks" <buddenbrooks@aol.de> wrote in message news:f3dudg$6kj$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... Quote: I was listening to desert island disks and Paul Meccena (spelling) as guest. He was discussing the case that was brought against him by a schizophrenic. The man found a psychiatrist who was qualified and swore under oath that it was clear the Paul Meccana brought down demons to inhabit the schizoprenics mind. This is not the sort of qualified professional I want determining my freedom. given that some 'expert witnesses' with rather better credentials have been discredited recently, I think that this is a road we have to shun Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Food and beverages----------------Food and beverages  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Invitation Search Escorts and girls (incall/OutCall) online with www.Oasi2000.com, www.Oasi2007.com, www.Bakeca.it... 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