Food and beverages Food and beverages    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Paraplow Goto page 1, 2  Next          Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:11 am    Post subject: Paraplow Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest cultivations? Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J B Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow <srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:d5KdnR_Ag9A6aN3bnZ2dnUVZ8sKlnZ2d@pipex.net... Quote: Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest cultivations? Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? There was discussion about one on BFF t'other day. Do you ever go there?? -- J B Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In article <5ae2qqF2npugaU1@mid.individual.net>, jb@privacy.net (J B) wrote: Quote: *From:* "J B" <jb@privacy.net *Date:* Wed, 9 May 2007 15:04:40 +0100 srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:d5KdnR_Ag9A6aN3bnZ2dnUVZ8sKlnZ2d@pipex.net... Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest cultivations? Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? There was discussion about one on BFF t'other day. Do you ever go there?? I tend to lurk really, far too many high-powered folk there I did read that piece yes. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor J B Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow <srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:w9ednXtXMpQHbdzbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@pipex.net... Quote: There was discussion about one on BFF t'other day. Do you ever go there?? I tend to lurk really, far too many high-powered folk there I did read that piece yes. Is that me or Jim you refer to? ;-) -- J B Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In article <5aeassF2ne7s3U1@mid.individual.net>, jb@privacy.net (J B) wrote: Quote: *From:* "J B" <jb@privacy.net *Date:* Wed, 9 May 2007 17:23:51 +0100 srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:w9ednXtXMpQHbdzbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@pipex.net... There was discussion about one on BFF t'other day. Do you ever go there?? I tend to lurk really, far too many high-powered folk there I did read that piece yes. Is that me or Jim you refer to? ;-) -- J B Well both of course, need you ask?? Nice drop of rain tonight?? -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk writes Quote: Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest cultivations? three leg wants 100HP+. Quote: Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? Er, they aren't discs... -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In article <8ypg0VAs7hQGFwXv@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz@farmeroz.port995.com (Oz) wrote: Quote: *From:* Oz <Oz@farmeroz.port995.com *Date:* Wed, 9 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100 srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk writes Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering >just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest >cultivations? three leg wants 100HP+. Blimey, that much! Guy flogging it reckons 75hp!!! I have 90hp ATM, but access to 120 from a neighbour who may well be interested in a share purchase. Quote: Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? Er, they aren't discs... -- I know! I should have elaborated, I want to carry out deep cultivations prior to discing on headlands and other compacted areas, but without the "heave" that a conventional subsoiler causes. Quote: -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk writes Quote: In article <8ypg0VAs7hQGFwXv@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz@farmeroz.port995.com (Oz) wrote: *From:* Oz <Oz@farmeroz.port995.com *Date:* Wed, 9 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100 srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk writes Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering >just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest >cultivations? three leg wants 100HP+. Blimey, that much! Guy flogging it reckons 75hp!!! I can't quite remember if ours had three legs or four. May have been four, one removable extension. Its particularly good for busting established grassland, disk coulters preferred as an extra. Flat roll immediately afterwards. Quote: I have 90hp ATM, but access to 120 from a neighbour who may well be interested in a share purchase. The latter would be suitable, the former adequate. Quote: Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? Er, they aren't discs... -- I know! I should have elaborated, I want to carry out deep cultivations prior to discing on headlands and other compacted areas, but without the "heave" that a conventional subsoiler causes. Yes, they will do that quite well. Tricky if you lift up abruptly as you tend to end up with a large trapezoidal lump of concrete dirt left on the surface. Be a bit gradual. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In article <kStm8AC$GxQGFw2W@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz@farmeroz.port995.com (Oz) wrote: Quote: srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk writes Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering >just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest >cultivations? three leg wants 100HP+. Blimey, that much! Guy flogging it reckons 75hp!!! :-) I can't quite remember if ours had three legs or four. May have been four, one removable extension. Its particularly good for busting established grassland, disk coulters preferred as an extra. Flat roll immediately afterwards. Sounds the ticket really then. Guy wants a bit too much for it IMO though. Mebbe worth hanging on a bit The neighbour has SERIOUS compaction on his lightland grass. This would be perfect. Quote: I have 90hp ATM, but access to 120 from a neighbour who may well be interested in a share >purchase. The latter would be suitable, the former adequate. Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? Er, they aren't discs... -- I know! I should have elaborated, I want to carry out deep cultivations >prior to discing on headlands and other compacted areas, but without the >"heave" that a conventional subsoiler causes. Yes, they will do that quite well. Tricky if you lift up abruptly as you tend to end up with a large trapezoidal lump of concrete dirt left on the surface. Be a bit gradual. :-) Happily, the majority of our arable and much of the grassland is not that bad... -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk writes Quote: Sounds the ticket really then. Guy wants a bit too much for it IMO though. Mebbe worth hanging on a bit The neighbour has SERIOUS compaction on his lightland grass. This would be perfect. It works quite well, you do get slight ridging and some grass will die where the roots have been cut close to the surface. After a year its hard to tell. Note that surface compaction tends not to recur once the grass roots have got underneath it (circa 2-4") unless puddling is severe and near total. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Steve Firth Guest Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow <srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote: Quote: Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest cultivations? This item seems to suggest 35hp per leg: http://www.aenf.wau.nl/equip/body_paraplow.html Quote: Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? Dunno. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In article <1hxy4dw.1j42wequhl3fdN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: Quote: *From:* %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) *Date:* Fri, 11 May 2007 11:44:18 +0100 srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote: Was chatting about these bits of kit the other day and I was wondering just what the power requirements were in dry hard post harvest cultivations? This item seems to suggest 35hp per leg: http://www.aenf.wau.nl/equip/body_paraplow.html Would they suit pre-discing a seedbed for min-till operations? Dunno. An excellent link, thanks Steve. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Steve Firth Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow <srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote: Quote: An excellent link, thanks Steve. It's the sort of thing I was looking for but there's no way my 55hp tractor will pull one, and I don't see me buying a new tractor for the job. I do need something similar to break up the soil after harvest, but I suspect I will have to go for a chisel plough. The local tractor supplied was trying to persuade me to buy a disk cultivator but as far as I can see these lead to surface compaction and the formation of clay pans. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In article <1hy00fi.1pn50w41kkoc8wN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: Quote: *From:* %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) *Date:* Sat, 12 May 2007 12:01:30 +0100 srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote: An excellent link, thanks Steve. It's the sort of thing I was looking for but there's no way my 55hp tractor will pull one, and I don't see me buying a new tractor for the job. I do need something similar to break up the soil after harvest, but I suspect I will have to go for a chisel plough. The old single leg Blench subsoiler will go (just) on 55hp 4WD in the right conditions. I keep mine because it is always useful to have something I can pull if the ground gets HARD, and also for moling. Quote: The local tractor supplied was trying to persuade me to buy a disk cultivator but as far as I can see these lead to surface compaction and the formation of clay pans. I use heavy discs here, but I reckon that the plough is a cheap and easy means of breaking a disc pan every few years. These days it is used when land is coming out of fallow and it is in a state. I often do a quick light discing to incorporate rubbish and get a chit a few weeks before the plough. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Steve Firth Guest Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow <srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote: Quote: In article <1hy00fi.1pn50w41kkoc8wN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: *From:* %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) *Date:* Sat, 12 May 2007 12:01:30 +0100 srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote: An excellent link, thanks Steve. It's the sort of thing I was looking for but there's no way my 55hp tractor will pull one, and I don't see me buying a new tractor for the job. I do need something similar to break up the soil after harvest, but I suspect I will have to go for a chisel plough. The old single leg Blench subsoiler will go (just) on 55hp 4WD in the right conditions. I keep mine because it is always useful to have something I can pull if the ground gets HARD, and also for moling. This is a crawler, so I think it will be fine. I've seen three leg chisel ploughs for use with compact tractors of 25-50hp, and they should do. OTOH a single leg subsoiler would be useful ATM because I want to lay a cold water supply from the house to the barn. Quote: The local tractor supplied was trying to persuade me to buy a disk cultivator but as far as I can see these lead to surface compaction and the formation of clay pans. I use heavy discs here, but I reckon that the plough is a cheap and easy means of breaking a disc pan every few years. These days it is used when land is coming out of fallow and it is in a state. I often do a quick light discing to incorporate rubbish and get a chit a few weeks before the plough. That's useful info, thanks. We've left out land fallow recently because the building work has gone a bit mad but we were intending to put a forage crop down next year. 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