Food and beverages Food and beverages    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Paraplow Goto page Previous  1, 2          Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Tim Lamb Guest Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In message <1hy0gqb.7vhse1jpivirN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes Quote: This is a crawler, so I think it will be fine. I've seen three leg chisel ploughs for use with compact tractors of 25-50hp, and they should do. OTOH a single leg subsoiler would be useful ATM because I want to lay a cold water supply from the house to the barn. I've done that! My ancient single leg subsoiler has a mole attachment on the spare leg. 20mm blue poly fitted inside a short length of water barrel and fixed with several through pins at different angles and the other end pinned inside the mole expander. Worth doing a practice run without the pipe in case of unexpected obstructions. regards -- Tim Lamb Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes Quote: It's the sort of thing I was looking for but there's no way my 55hp tractor will pull one, and I don't see me buying a new tractor for the job. I do need something similar to break up the soil after harvest, but I suspect I will have to go for a chisel plough. Yes. Buying the right type is tricky and I have doubts that 55hp would even pull one leg at a useful depth. Remember that the shatter cone is typically <45deg so to get useful work at (say) 300mm deep you really want to be working at 600mm (!!!) with a 300mm spacing. This is often forgotten. We had a great tool that worked sequentially in one pass. Wide (300mm) sweep tines working at (say) 110mm deep and 300mm spacing and heavy tines working at (say) 300mm deep with a 300mm spacing. That is (for an 8' machine) a total of 16 tines, which takes a tad of pulling. The design was good beccause it penetrated even the heaviest hardest soil so long as you could actually pull it. We sold two in our farm sale, one 6' (with subsoiler) and one 10'. Quote: The local tractor supplied was trying to persuade me to buy a disk cultivator but as far as I can see these lead to surface compaction and the formation of clay pans. Disks are fine so long as you ONLY cultivate when the soil is bone dry. Few people do. I would agree with you. Better a tined machine, better several. We had the heavy triple task (above) for heavy, JD410's (close spaced medium cultivator similar to http://www.kongskilde.com/Soil/Brands/Kongskilde/Stubble+Cultivation/Tin ed+Cultivators/VIBRO+FLEX+7400.htm a light cultivator http://www.kongskilde.com/Soil/Brands/Kongskilde/Seedbed+Cultivation/Mou nted+Seedbed+Cultivator/VIBRO+MASTER+2500.htm and a set of comb harrows. All were about 20 years old, in perfect working nick. Each did the job needed in the soil and conditions needed. We also had some medium and some light disks, almost never used them. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes Quote: OTOH a single leg subsoiler would be useful ATM because I want to lay a cold water supply from the house to the barn. These can be pulled in but its relatively easy to cut (partially) the pipe below ground (flints. stones whatever). We had to replace every pipe on the farm for this reason, the leaks may be impossible to locate. Personally I would hire a small digger and dig it in. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow Jim Webster <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> writes Quote: we have a single leg subsoiler we use occassionally for breaking up the pan caused by silage trailers running across fields to get to the road. I did pull it perfectly happily behind a JD 2130 but a 3130 makes a better job Working at a genuine 24" below undisturbed soil surface required all of 190HP, weighing like you never saw, surprising tyre slip and not much speed at all. For one leg with wings ... -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow "Oz" <Oz@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote in message news:D5Rf2XAEEqSGFwRy@farmeroz.port995.com... Quote: Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes It's the sort of thing I was looking for but there's no way my 55hp tractor will pull one, and I don't see me buying a new tractor for the job. I do need something similar to break up the soil after harvest, but I suspect I will have to go for a chisel plough. Yes. Buying the right type is tricky and I have doubts that 55hp would even pull one leg at a useful depth. Remember that the shatter cone is typically <45deg so to get useful work at (say) 300mm deep you really want to be working at 600mm (!!!) with a 300mm spacing. This is often forgotten. We had a great tool that worked sequentially in one pass. Wide (300mm) sweep tines working at (say) 110mm deep and 300mm spacing and heavy tines working at (say) 300mm deep with a 300mm spacing. That is (for an 8' machine) a total of 16 tines, which takes a tad of pulling. The design was good beccause it penetrated even the heaviest hardest soil so long as you could actually pull it. We sold two in our farm sale, one 6' (with subsoiler) and one 10'. we have a single leg subsoiler we use occassionally for breaking up the pan caused by silage trailers running across fields to get to the road. I did pull it perfectly happily behind a JD 2130 but a 3130 makes a better job Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow "Oz" <Oz@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote in message news:c5kYmuAQVqSGFwza@farmeroz.port995.com... Quote: Jim Webster <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> writes we have a single leg subsoiler we use occassionally for breaking up the pan caused by silage trailers running across fields to get to the road. I did pull it perfectly happily behind a JD 2130 but a 3130 makes a better job Working at a genuine 24" below undisturbed soil surface required all of 190HP, weighing like you never saw, surprising tyre slip and not much speed at all. For one leg with wings ... I doubt I ever got much more than 18" above the surface, but I got deep enough for the job I was doing. Going deeper would take a lot more power Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow On 2007-05-16, Oz <Oz@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote: Quote: Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes OTOH a single leg subsoiler would be useful ATM because I want to lay a cold water supply from the house to the barn. These can be pulled in but its relatively easy to cut (partially) the pipe below ground (flints. stones whatever). We had to replace every pipe on the farm for this reason, the leaks may be impossible to locate. Personally I would hire a small digger and dig it in. Yup. Company put in pipes near here with subsoiler, the pipe got stretched, every connection had to be repaired after a while. Didn't do it right, probably. -- Greymaus Just another grumpy old man Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Paraplow greymaus@gmaildo.tcom writes Quote: Yup. Company put in pipes near here with subsoiler, the pipe got stretched, every connection had to be repaired after a while. Didn't do it right, probably. There is a subsoiler type that *will* do it properly. It also lays 2" drainage pipe as well. The pipe isn't stretched because it isn't *pulled* in but fed in down the leg. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Paraplow In article <mvA2jHBB1sSGFwU0@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz@farmeroz.port995.com (Oz) wrote: Quote: Yup. Company put in pipes near here with subsoiler, the pipe got stretched, every connection had to be repaired after a while. Didn't do it right, probably. There is a subsoiler type that *will* do it properly. It also lays 2" drainage pipe as well. The pipe isn't stretched because it isn't *pulled* in but fed in down the leg. -- As far as I am concerned, that is the ONLY way to do a pipelaying exercise. Run the pipe along the route to be taken or have a proper unwinding reel and then have a tube or other means for the pipe to be drawn down to the bottom of the slit. Joints can be pulled down if the tube is a big enough diam or dig a hole and do it then. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2 Page 2 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Food and beverages----------------Food and beverages  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum 142 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group