Food and beverages Food and beverages    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Welfare in Transport regulations Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Jill Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:34 pm    Post subject: Welfare in Transport regulations Beware that you all get your authorisations even if you only have a few beasts This is not just a set of regs for the big boys despite the fact that they have informed no-one in the smallholding world and it did not cross their minds to. However if you travel more than 65km [just over 40miles] to - collect replacement birds for your backyard flock and you sell any eggs at all - take a beast to a show and win a class so elevating the value of any subsequent beasts you sell or product that you sell - sell / spin wool, fleece, meat from any beast and travel to buy in new stock You have to have an authroisation certificate from January 2007 They have done almost no publicity to the smallholding community -- in fact could not name anyone or any publication when asked about this area. Local Trading standards are being left with this particular baby, again with very little information or guidance, except not to go overboard! If you sell anything from your croft, smallholding, backgarden and move anything anywhere over 40.5 miles - go and get a certificate to travel with you. It does not cost anything and will keep you legal http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/farmed/transport.htm There seems to be a great deal of confusion throughout those who have put this into place as to who is covered The above were given to me by a bod in the London DEFRA policy unit The following comes from their leaflet <quote> Am I affected by the new rules? The EU Regulation sets out additional rules if you transport animals in connection with an economic activity. This is being interpreted as any transporting of animals undertaken as part of a business or commercial activity, which aims at achieving financial gain, whether direct or indirect, for any person or company involved with the transport. This does not include: # Transportation of animals not in connection with an economic activity. ? Transportation to or from veterinary practices or clinics under veterinary advice. ? Journeys where the animal is an individual animal, accompanied by its owner or other responsible person. ? Transportation of animals by hobby breeders - where income source does not exceed expenses of hobby. ? Journeys where the animals are pet animals accompanied by their owner on a journey. ? Farmers transporting their own animals, in their own vehicles, under 50km. The above are examples, not a definitive list. <unquote> Clear now? They certainly are not!!!! -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message news:4625d7c9$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net... Quote: Beware that you all get your authorisations even if you only have a few beasts This is not just a set of regs for the big boys despite the fact that they have informed no-one in the smallholding world and it did not cross their minds to. However if you travel more than 65km [just over 40miles] to - collect replacement birds for your backyard flock and you sell any eggs at all - take a beast to a show and win a class so elevating the value of any subsequent beasts you sell or product that you sell - sell / spin wool, fleece, meat from any beast and travel to buy in new stock You have to have an authroisation certificate from January 2007 actually it might be easier for cattle farmers than, for example small poultry keepers, because a beef farmer is exempt when he travels up to Perth to buy one bull because it is only one animal, travelling on its own and accompanied If you go the same distance and buy three hens, then you will need the authorisation because they are not, one animal. I would suggest that most of Jills customers, if they are just producing a few eggs for themselves, are probably exempt, but unfortunately, it is only probably The definition of economic activity isn't good Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jill Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations "Jim Webster" <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote in message news:58m6hiF2i71gfU1@mid.individual.net... Quote: I would suggest that most of Jills customers, if they are just producing a few eggs for themselves, are probably exempt, but unfortunately, it is only probably But although they may be exempt for not earning enough they are caught by the distance which seems to be,. in their minds as far as I can get a response so far, to superseed any derogation for hobby. 40 miles does not go very far !!! On the economic side - who is to say how much they are earning? Smallholders who have chickens as a hobby sure as heck don't keep records. Those who breed for exhibition might get £20 a bird for a hatching if Mummy and Daddy are good -- IF they only have a dozen birds in total then the chances are they might more than cover their costs that year. So they need to be registered for going to shows. Are trading standards going to be going to shows and asking for authorisation certificates and proof of income? Quote: The definition of economic activity isn't good Its appalling. They have simply not thought it through at all -- this affects thousands and thousands of people but they have simply not been informed or consulted. I am not surprised.! -- regards Jill Bowis Pure bred utility chickens and ducks Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery Working Holidays in Scotland http://www.kintaline.co.uk Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations In article <4625d7c9$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk (Jill) wrote: Quote: Beware that you all get your authorisations even if you only have a few beasts This is not just a set of regs for the big boys despite the fact that they have informed no-one in the smallholding world and it did not cross their minds to. More pointless and unecessary buracracy in most cases. Yet another reason in the case that I am building on why I want out of stock farming! High store prices have been a bonus in getting rid of the "commercial" cattle this Spring. Just 1/2 doz Hex and some dexters that will be with us until the turn of the year. Still pondering the future of the Sucklers, but the prognosis is not good. I cannot see the financial justification for single sucklers at all nowadays. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations <srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:TsCdnTyZBfnl6rvbnZ2dnUVZ8q6unZ2d@pipex.net... Quote: High store prices have been a bonus in getting rid of the "commercial" cattle this Spring. Just 1/2 doz Hex and some dexters that will be with us until the turn of the year. Still pondering the future of the Sucklers, but the prognosis is not good. I cannot see the financial justification for single sucklers at all nowadays. -- beef price is still too low really, and single sucklers look very dubious. Need cheap land and minimal labour Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Edward Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations In message <4625d7c9$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote: Quote: However if you travel more than 65km [just over 40miles] to You have to have an authroisation certificate from January 2007 ? Farmers transporting their own animals, in their own vehicles, under 50km. Clear now? They certainly are not!!!! So, is it 65 km or 50km.? I wondered that when I first investigated and found my journey is under 65km.. BTW, Jill didn't say anything about having to pass a test to get this cert after 08. That includes the ones who get one now without a test. That's how I read the website anyway. -- Edward.. What can they know, whose talk is only of bullocks. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Pete ‹(•¿•)› Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:59:38 +0100, "Jim Webster" <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote: Quote: srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:TsCdnTyZBfnl6rvbnZ2dnUVZ8q6unZ2d@pipex.net... High store prices have been a bonus in getting rid of the "commercial" cattle this Spring. Just 1/2 doz Hex and some dexters that will be with us until the turn of the year. Still pondering the future of the Sucklers, but the prognosis is not good. I cannot see the financial justification for single sucklers at all nowadays. -- beef price is still too low really, and single sucklers look very dubious. Need cheap land and minimal labour No mention of the animals welfare. Is there no depths of animal misery and suffering you could stoop, where you would one day say "it's just not worth the animals suffering for so little"? You could always go out and get a proper job, like the rest of us, that preferably doesn't mean animal suffering for you gain! How you can live with yourselves is beyond me. I just hope one day you reap the misery and suffering you sow! -- Avoid the rush at the last judgement. Be converted now instead! PRAYER FOR A NATION When Pastor Joe Wright, of Central Christian Church, was asked to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual politically correct generalities. But what they heard instead was this: Heavenly Father, we come before You today to ask Your forgiveness and seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, ‘Woe on those who call evil good,’ but that’s exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values. We confess that: We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it pluralism; We have, worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism; We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle; We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery; We have neglected the needy and called it self-preservation; We have killed our unborn and called it choice; We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem; We have abused power and called it political savvy; We have coveted our neighbour’s possessions and called it ambition; We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression; We have ridiculed the time-honoured values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment. Search us, 0 God, and know our hearts today; try us and see if there be some wicked way in us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent here by the people of Kansas, and who have been ordained by You, to govern this great state. Grant them Your wisdom to rule and may their decisions direct us to the centre of Your will. I ask it in the name of Your Son, the Living Saviour, Jesus Christ. Amen.” **************** Disclaimer Pete has taken all reasonable care to ensure that pages published by him were accurate on the date of publication or last modification. Other pages which may be linked or which Pete may have published are in a personal capacity. Pete takes no responsibility for the consequences of error or for any loss or damage suffered by users of any of the information published on any of these pages, and such information does not form any basis of a contract with readers or users of it. It is in the nature of Usenet & Web sites, that much of the information is experimental or constantly changing, that information published may be for test purposes only, may be out of date, or may be the personal opinion of the author. Readers should verify information gained from the Web/Usenet with the appropriate authorities before relying on it. Should you no longer wish to read this material or content, please use your newsreaders kill filter by adding Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk to your kill file.. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations On 2007-04-18, Jim Webster <jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk> wrote: Quote: srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:TsCdnTyZBfnl6rvbnZ2dnUVZ8q6unZ2d@pipex.net... High store prices have been a bonus in getting rid of the "commercial" cattle this Spring. Just 1/2 doz Hex and some dexters that will be with us until the turn of the year. Still pondering the future of the Sucklers, but the prognosis is not good. I cannot see the financial justification for single sucklers at all nowadays. -- beef price is still too low really, and single sucklers look very dubious. Need cheap land and minimal labour Jim Webster One of the local people here that gave up dairying has gone in for suckling instead. There may be tax reasons or something like that. Talking to a grain merchant yesterday, he says that the coming harvest in Russia and the Ukraine is looking very good, seems that every year there are areas in that part that suffer from `frost heave' or other effect of the extreme cold, and these didn't happen this year. -- Greymaus Just another grumpy old man Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor grippa Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations In article <TsCdnTyZBfnl6rvbnZ2dnUVZ8q6unZ2d@pipex.net>, srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk () wrote: Quote: *From:* srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk *Date:* Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:54:32 -0500 High store prices have been a bonus in getting rid of the "commercial" cattle this Spring. Just 1/2 doz Hex and some dexters that will be with us until the turn of the year. Still pondering the future of the Sucklers, but the prognosis is not good. I cannot see the financial justification for single sucklers at all nowadays. Damn, you mean its just not me that can't make them pay? Grippa Quote: Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations In article <58nf6uF2i1c50U1@mid.individual.net>, jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk (Jim Webster) wrote: Quote: beef price is still too low really, and single sucklers look very dubious. Dunno why a nearby farmer is expanding his SS herd I have to say, even with loads od Stewardship grazing to manage. Quote: Need cheap land and minimal labour And neither are available at present under the present ag regieme that we are farming under. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations grippa <grippa@cix.co.uk> writes Quote: Damn, you mean its just not me that can't make them pay? To be frank few have made much from ss over the years. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations <srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:maadnXQf9-ZJ-brbRVnyvAA@pipex.net... Quote: In article <58nf6uF2i1c50U1@mid.individual.net>, jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk (Jim Webster) wrote: beef price is still too low really, and single sucklers look very dubious. Dunno why a nearby farmer is expanding his SS herd I have to say, even with loads od Stewardship grazing to manage. Need cheap land and minimal labour And neither are available at present under the present ag regieme that we are farming under. minimal labour means that actually you have another job as well. Cheap land is more difficult. Personally I suspect that sucklers will survive because so many of us are making a living now outside the core farming business, and sucklers keep the grass down and give us time to make that living. Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Webster Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations "grippa" <grippa@cix.co.uk> wrote in message news:memo.20070419170614.2956A@grippa.compulink.co.uk... Quote: In article <TsCdnTyZBfnl6rvbnZ2dnUVZ8q6unZ2d@pipex.net>, srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk () wrote: *From:* srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk *Date:* Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:54:32 -0500 High store prices have been a bonus in getting rid of the "commercial" cattle this Spring. Just 1/2 doz Hex and some dexters that will be with us until the turn of the year. Still pondering the future of the Sucklers, but the prognosis is not good. I cannot see the financial justification for single sucklers at all nowadays. Damn, you mean its just not me that can't make them pay? Grippa Sucklers probably induce more delusions of profitability than any other enterprise Jim Webster Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations In article <58pja4F2ibc85U1@mid.individual.net>, jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk (Jim Webster) wrote: Quote: Damn, you mean its just not me that can't make them pay? Grippa Sucklers probably induce more delusions of profitability than any other enterprise Yep, it is all that "fee" grass. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Edward Guest Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Welfare in Transport regulations In message <iIWdnZ3BEZ38VLrbnZ2dnUVZ8tChnZ2d@pipex.net> srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: Quote: In article <58pja4F2ibc85U1@mid.individual.net>, jim@websterpagebank.freeswerve.co.uk (Jim Webster) wrote: Damn, you mean its just not me that can't make them pay? Grippa Sucklers probably induce more delusions of profitability than any other enterprise Yep, it is all that "fee" grass. -- Steve Rawlings My neighbour told me he still carries on with ss 'cos he likes the big wad of cash he gets when he sends all the progeny off to the mart. The money dribbles away in penny packets instead:*( -- Edward.. 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