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[Janet Daley 27/8/2003] Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor AJH Guest Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:26:47 +0100, Old Codger <oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: Quote: I have used SBK for some years and found it very effective against brambles, brushwood, ivy and to kill off small tree stumps. Just bought some more and find it is a different formulation. Is it as effective or alternatively is there anything better that is available to Joe public? Didn't it use to be 245t? That'll probably be banned by now so for a selective you'll be limited to trichlorpyr and 24d and some modern things I'll not have kept up with. Either way you'll probably find the cheapest route will be to use glyphosate (generic) and apply it to individual plants. 245t was a hormone type chemical that made the plant grow itself to death but the roots often survived, glyphosate is systemic and kills the whole plant if you can get enough dose to it. As a gardener you'll be limited to "garden centre dilutions" like tumbleweed which are not good value for money but you may know a farmer.... AJH Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Old Codger Guest Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK AJH wrote: Quote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:26:47 +0100, Old Codger oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: I have used SBK for some years and found it very effective against brambles, brushwood, ivy and to kill off small tree stumps. Just bought some more and find it is a different formulation. Is it as effective or alternatively is there anything better that is available to Joe public? Didn't it use to be 245t? That'll probably be banned by now so for a selective you'll be limited to trichlorpyr and 24d and some modern things I'll not have kept up with. Either way you'll probably find the cheapest route will be to use glyphosate (generic) and apply it to individual plants. 245t was a hormone type chemical that made the plant grow itself to death but the roots often survived, glyphosate is systemic and kills the whole plant if you can get enough dose to it. As a gardener you'll be limited to "garden centre dilutions" like tumbleweed which are not good value for money but you may know a farmer.... Thanks for that. Interestingly, when googling yesterday I came across a site/forum discussing Japanese Knotweed. One recommended method of disposal was to cut it short and then fill the stems with 25% solution of Roundup. Must try that on my bamboo. I think I did have some success last year with SBK (original) diluted with paraffin. I can buy Roundup, stocked in Wilkinsons, and can get Roundup Ultra 3000. Bought 5l Roundup Pro through E-bay last year, that will probably see me out, even if I do start using it highly concentrated instead of the original SBK. -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor AJH Guest Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: SBK On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0100, Old Codger <oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: Quote: Interestingly, when googling yesterday I came across a site/forum discussing Japanese Knotweed. One recommended method of disposal was to cut it short and then fill the stems with 25% solution of Roundup. Yes I've been told the same and also dax root out crystals (ammonium sulphamate which seemed to have benign breakdown products but I think will not be re licensed after May). The thing is not to remove any cut stems off the site or allow them to re root but burn them. Quote: Bought 5l Roundup Pro through E-bay last year, that will probably see me out, even if I do start using it highly concentrated instead of the original SBK. Note the 25% solution, I'm told if you use it neat it causes such trauma to the plant cells they cannot translocate it, I'd like confirmation of that, and it doesn't then act systemically. There used to be a product called the croptex glove, for hand roguing wild oats in a wheat crop. I have seen mention of a DIY version of this, wear a thick rubber glove, pull over this a cotton glove but make sure the rubber glove protects your skin from the cotton, then using a shallow tray saturate the palm of the cotton with a solution of glyphosate in water, squeeze off any excess that may drip and then just lightly grip the target leaves. I hope others may suggest an additive to act as a wetter for glossy leaved things (mixture B 20 years ago) and I imagine a cotton wool dressing on the palm between rubber and cotton glove, would lengthen the time between recharging. AJH Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor David P Guest Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK In article <c1rn13lv027kpa94f74sifkabhfs09oil6@4ax.com>, AJH says... Quote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0100, Old Codger oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: just lightly grip the target leaves. I hope others may suggest an additive to act as a wetter for glossy leaved things washing up liquid works well IME -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK In article <MPG.20874360ff9b6c889898ea@news.plus.net>, me@privacy.net (David P) wrote: Quote: *From:* David P <me@privacy.net *Date:* Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:12:08 +0100 In article <c1rn13lv027kpa94f74sifkabhfs09oil6@4ax.com>, AJH says... On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0100, Old Codger oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: just lightly grip the target leaves. I hope others may suggest an additive to act as a wetter for glossy leaved things washing up liquid works well IME -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! Engine oil used to be recommended, but is not really needed these days with more sophisticated produts about :-) -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Old Codger Guest Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK AJH wrote: Quote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0100, Old Codger oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: Interestingly, when googling yesterday I came across a site/forum discussing Japanese Knotweed. One recommended method of disposal was to cut it short and then fill the stems with 25% solution of Roundup. Yes I've been told the same and also dax root out crystals (ammonium sulphamate which seemed to have benign breakdown products but I think will not be re licensed after May). The thing is not to remove any cut stems off the site or allow them to re root but burn them. Bought 5l Roundup Pro through E-bay last year, that will probably see me out, even if I do start using it highly concentrated instead of the original SBK. Note the 25% solution, I'm told if you use it neat it causes such trauma to the plant cells they cannot translocate it, I'd like confirmation of that, and it doesn't then act systemically. But, is that 25% solution of Roundup (120 g/l glyphosate) or 25% solution of Roundup ultra/pro (360 g/l glyphosate)? -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Old Codger Guest Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: Quote: In article <MPG.20874360ff9b6c889898ea@news.plus.net>, me@privacy.net (David P) wrote: *From:* David P <me@privacy.net *Date:* Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:12:08 +0100 In article <c1rn13lv027kpa94f74sifkabhfs09oil6@4ax.com>, AJH says... On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0100, Old Codger oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: just lightly grip the target leaves. I hope others may suggest an additive to act as a wetter for glossy leaved things washing up liquid works well IME -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! Engine oil used to be recommended, but is not really needed these days with more sophisticated produts about Was that the purpose of the paraffin with the old SBK? -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Old Codger Guest Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:04:15 +0100, Old Codger <oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: Quote: AJH wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0100, Old Codger oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: Interestingly, when googling yesterday I came across a site/forum discussing Japanese Knotweed. One recommended method of disposal was to cut it short and then fill the stems with 25% solution of Roundup. Yes I've been told the same and also dax root out crystals (ammonium sulphamate which seemed to have benign breakdown products but I think will not be re licensed after May). The thing is not to remove any cut stems off the site or allow them to re root but burn them. Bought 5l Roundup Pro through E-bay last year, that will probably see me out, even if I do start using it highly concentrated instead of the original SBK. Note the 25% solution, I'm told if you use it neat it causes such trauma to the plant cells they cannot translocate it, I'd like confirmation of that, and it doesn't then act systemically. But, is that 25% solution of Roundup (120 g/l glyphosate) or 25% solution of Roundup ultra/pro (360 g/l glyphosate)? Mind you I don't recommend the use of any chemicals these days. We need to think of the planet. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Old Codger Guest Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK Old Codger < wrote: no he didn't, it was Pete the troll forging headers again. -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK In article <461fd523$0$19248$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net (Old Codger) wrote: Quote: Engine oil used to be recommended, but is not really needed these days with more sophisticated produts about :-) Was that the purpose of the paraffin with the old SBK? I believe so. -- Steve Rawlings Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Old Codger Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK srawlings@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: Quote: In article <461fd523$0$19248$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net (Old Codger) wrote: Engine oil used to be recommended, but is not really needed these days with more sophisticated produts about Was that the purpose of the paraffin with the old SBK? I believe so. Interesting. Thanks Steve. -- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003] Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Albert Ross Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:15:48 +0100, AJH <news@sylva.icuklive.co.uk> wrote: Quote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0100, Old Codger oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: Interestingly, when googling yesterday I came across a site/forum discussing Japanese Knotweed. One recommended method of disposal was to cut it short and then fill the stems with 25% solution of Roundup. Yes I've been told the same and also dax root out crystals (ammonium sulphamate which seemed to have benign breakdown products but I think will not be re licensed after May). The thing is not to remove any cut stems off the site or allow them to re root but burn them. An alternative I've read for persistent stuff like ground elder and horsetails is to use numerous applications of dilute glyphosate over several seasons. Quote: Bought 5l Roundup Pro through E-bay last year, that will probably see me out, even if I do start using it highly concentrated instead of the original SBK. Note the 25% solution, I'm told if you use it neat it causes such trauma to the plant cells they cannot translocate it, I'd like confirmation of that, and it doesn't then act systemically. Hmmm, that may be the rationale for the above suggestion. Quote: There used to be a product called the croptex glove, for hand roguing wild oats in a wheat crop. I have seen mention of a DIY version of this, wear a thick rubber glove, pull over this a cotton glove but make sure the rubber glove protects your skin from the cotton, then using a shallow tray saturate the palm of the cotton with a solution of glyphosate in water, squeeze off any excess that may drip and then just lightly grip the target leaves. I hope others may suggest an additive to act as a wetter for glossy leaved things (mixture B 20 years ago) and I imagine a cotton wool dressing on the palm between rubber and cotton glove, would lengthen the time between recharging. I use glyphosate in a small hand sprayer for spotting out weeds (use a sheet of plastic to avoid splashing the good stuff). Also works on bindweed if you give it a nice stick to climb up first. Also there was available (I have some but don;t know if it's still available) glyphosate paint in a small tub with a brush, paint it onto several leaves and it's mixed with some stickyish substance which holds it in place and stops it dripping. I quite favour glyphosate for its lack of environmental side effects, one authority reckoned it did less damage than digging stuff out and damaging the soil ecology but that may be pushing it a bit. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor David G. Bell Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: SBK On Saturday, in article <vdb223pr6d18h8rrg1am1dlvcoevlmipae@4ax.com> spam@dev_null.com.invalid "Albert Ross" wrote: Quote: I quite favour glyphosate for its lack of environmental side effects, one authority reckoned it did less damage than digging stuff out and damaging the soil ecology but that may be pushing it a bit. At one time, the label had details of use for spraying plants in watercourses. General rules have changed, and that's gone from the label, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a specialised use not open to the likes of us. Since it's neutralised by soil bacteria, it may shake up the soil ecology in the tope few millimetres, but I can see the overall effect being much less than digging stuff out. -- David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Oz Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: SBK David G. Bell <dbell@zhochaka.org.uk> writes Quote: Since it's neutralised Eaten Quote: by soil bacteria, it may shake up mildly increase Quote: the soil ecology in the tope few millimetres, -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Food and beverages Forum Index -> Food and beverages All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Food and beverages----------------Food and beverages  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum 142 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group